Thread: The results are in

excellent the lack of process and consultation has always been my bugbear to.
i still fail to see what diff putting it on the june agenda would have made other than to rubber stamp a already done deal.
its not like anyone could have changed the vote or the public could have made them consult.
keep us in the loop as to any developments especialy if they do the right thing and go back to thier licence buyers first.
thank god some common sence may prevail.

The council is taking legal advice about a legitimate vote not haven taken place to reduce the number by the current council.

the only thing to worry about now is if the process was illegal does that make the election so.

interesting fact, the vote taken in April can only be called "informal" I believe the word was used by the council last night as that vote was done in General business so is not part of an agenda and was used by them to gauge "support" to move to a agenda item in June. But no such vote took place in June, then the problem was picked up by the Office Manager after election process had started. and was not picked up by others as the minutes were not on the web yet. and as it was clearly pointed out a person who cant make a meeting should by all reason be able to rely on the meeting minutes to be accurate and try.
decision made last night that they will not be consulting licence holders any further and new council to take over this month.

So where does it all stand now
1. no legitimate vote taken to reduce to 8 councillors
2. National office told vote took place on the 8th April to move to 8 councillors
3. Advise is being sought by the council to determine where they stand "legally"

interesting fact, the vote taken in April can only be called "informal" I believe the word was used by the council last night as that vote was done in General business so is not part of an agenda and was used by them to gauge "support" to move to a agenda item in June

so the requests for info to hq the very next day were off the managers own bat and him not doing his job??

From what I can make out they agreed to it as a non agenda item but to formalize it needed to raise it and vote on it at the next meeting and have it on that meeting's agenda.

is that normal practise mike?
but then to call it a unanimous vote in favour from the aprill meeting??

decision made last night that they will not be consulting licence holders any further and new council to take over this month.

what any further than none
so they did some consultation or no??

We are not talking about inexperienced hicks we are talking about multi term councillors with a number having NZCouncil experience and chairman experience.]

yea i found the poor country boy in the big city a bit hard to swallow given mr d in the next sentence says he was away filming for a month and is a noted ballistic expert.

Originally Posted by gsp follower

yea i found the poor country boy in the big city a bit hard to swallow given mr d in the next sentence says he was away filming for a month and is a noted ballistic expert.

Genuine mistakes can be made no less by anyone at anytime. I think F&G did what it had to but made some serious concessions to the integrity and fundamental purpose of elections. I am personally not surprised that process can be circumvented with such ease and such lack of regard for it's constituents- but many more people have had their eyes opened.

Just 550 people voted in HB (32%) of eligible voters. Imagine if everyone was automatically eligible to vote and region hoping wasn't allowed. Would any election give F&G a mandate to represent us?

Just 550 people voted in HB (32%) of eligible voters. Imagine if everyone was automatically eligible to vote and region hoping wasn't allowed. Would any election give F&G a mandate to represent us?

imagine there no countries imagine theres no wars IMAGINE
are you suggestig a bit of reverse region hopping as opposed to what was rumoured to have happened in aw and eastern last election tim?

It was really pleasing to see the professional staff from Eastern Region giving scientific advice and helping the council through its decision making processes.

ouch that must be cringe worthy
any eastern councillers present

Would any election give F&G a mandate to represent us?

possibly yes but candidate profile would still be a big part to.

If this becomes a contentious issue outside disgruntled candidates who didn’t get elected, we may well ask the licence holders via the email database what their thoughts are regarding whether its necessary to have a new election, as it’s their money that will be getting spent

meow.jesus dont strain yourselvesshame you didnt think this was a good idea before you made the decision and voted on it.

Originally Posted by gsp follower

are you suggestig a bit of reverse region hoping like what was rumoured to have happened in aw and eastern last election tim?

I'm not suggesting anything, but lets look at the figures. There's about 4,100 license sales in HB but I'll knock 400 off and work with 3700 eligible voters. Only 45% of these people bothered to register. This elections vote return represented 32% of those that expressed an interest or just 14% of license holders in the region. Not much of a mandate.

true enough seems like you,d want to make voting easier or registering to vote compulsory.
but to a point you can lead a gamebirder to the maimai but you cant shoot the ducks for him.
[horse trough analogy]maybe when people realise not voting when they can is the biggest disservice they can do for thier sport it might change. vote cos you can not cos you have to or the right to elect f&g mightent be around to get many more chances.

So the meeting ended in light and love...how jolly...

So the minuted incumbent manager's caution to the council reminding them that there is a statutory obligation to band birds was not agreed to at the time, yet we read $9000 ...the important Mallard Research Project. And was the $6000 for a feasibility study on a fish out pond also out of the discretionary spending wallet...hmmmm

if you keep bringing commonsence into this thread EeeBees your gonna ruin it.