Thread: Inshore fishing under threat?

OK funny wee story from my past.... relevant here on TWO counts
fishery related...and racism related OK????

young smart arse Brown skinned fella from Temuka was starting to go on about tribal rights...and it got up my nose,so one day when he started in high horse again,I stopped him and asked if I could have MY TRIBAL rights too???? sure why not..he says.... so I replied "my fellas used to come down here,rape your women,eat your children and pinch your friggen greenstone"
his jaw dropped...then quick as you like my Maori mate across the room chimes in "you ever seen the women in TEMUKA? yo uare welcome to them"
jolly near pissed meself laughing
took the heat out of whole situation and young fella shut up on subject.

Haha sorry cam we must have been typing at the same time

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I dont know. But why do Councils have the power to do this? Dont MPI make these sorts of decisions based off research? Seems unless its appealed through the environmental court with enough backing the appeal gets quashed and the councils proceed as they wish. Also seems even when we think everyone is behind the appeal its still never enough and they spin that its based on consultation with the public. Beats me

Originally Posted by Gibo

I dont know. But why do Councils have the power to do this? Dont MPI make these sorts of decisions based off research? Seems unless its appealed through the environmental court with enough backing the appeal gets quashed and the councils proceed as they wish. Also seems even when we think everyone is behind the appeal its still never enough and they spin that its based on consultation with the public. Beats me

Forest and bird have a lot to answer for......yes they meddle with our fishing too.

Originally Posted by Gibo

I dont know. But why do Councils have the power to do this? Dont MPI make these sorts of decisions based off research? Seems unless its appealed through the environmental court with enough backing the appeal gets quashed and the councils proceed as they wish. Also seems even when we think everyone is behind the appeal its still never enough and they spin that its based on consultation with the public. Beats me

In our local case the environment courts decision was appealed, and the high Court upheld the decision. It was a benchmark case interpreting the responsibilities of council in managing bethnic biodiversity as written in the RMA. Council doesn't want it. They can't afford it and there is no resource, structure or funding to manage it. The only legal recourse now is to change the RMA. One of my hopes with the hauraki spacial plan is that they will need to change both the qms and the RMA in order to enact the plan. Hopefully that allows for more flexible fishery management and brings it back to mpi to manage and not council.

The scariest part of it all is now any Interest group around the country can take council to court and achieve the same. All they need is for forest and Bird to say the biodiversity of an area is damaged, which by definition every popular reef system around the country is.

Local councils have deep pockets due to ratepayers. They welcome court action as as they have a bigger cheque book.

YEARS BACK when F&G took size limit off trout in a lot of regions people jumped up n down saying folks would kill all the young trout and none would grow big. not this K1W1 I see it as good thing,small trout that is bleeding CAN be legally kept,instead of chucked back to die...
the whole catch n release thing is a have...if its NOT DONE RIGHT....... there are photos out there of kingfish with hory great hand print sores on them from the catch n release not done right....I would hazard a guess smaller sea fish that are crook dont last long before being eaten....
any fish thats bleeding SHOULD be kept and eaten,its part of your bag limit...

if 25cm...or 10cm for that matter fish is bleeding when caught,or mishandled...its dead.....just not yet...so it SHOULD BE counted as part of your catch limit....personal integrity and honesty is the only police on the system BUT you keep it and eat it...its used,you chuck it back in and it floats away to be seagull food its wasted resource.
so for me YES if needed to keep it I would like to be able to do it legally.....but bigger is better.....but not if you killing small ones to get them.
oh and you can fill a toast bread sandwich with a 10cm spotty fillet so snapper will do it better.... beer batter is your friend with small fillets.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

if 25cm...or 10cm for that matter fish is bleeding when caught,or mishandled...its dead.....just not yet...so it SHOULD BE counted as part of your catch limit....personal integrity and honesty is the only police on the system BUT you keep it and eat it...its used,you chuck it back in and it floats away to be seagull food its wasted resource.
so for me YES if needed to keep it I would like to be able to do it legally.....but bigger is better.....but not if you killing small ones to get them.
oh and you can fill a toast bread sandwich with a 10cm spotty fillet so snapper will do it better.... beer batter is your friend with small fillets.

Some fish are pretty hardy....some can survive and heal like 30 percent of there body being bitten out!
Some can be hauled up from over 100m deep and be released fine others are fucked from 10m.
But yes fish handeling education could be better and some species that are a bit fragile and scarce like blue cod here some people probably kill 20 undersized before they get their legal 2 cod.

If seals are problem how is it that many large fish were caught in the ‘early days’ when seals were apparently still prolific?

Maybe because back then humans were less prolific…

Originally Posted by Finnwolf

If seals are problem how is it that many large fish were caught in the ‘early days’ when seals were apparently still prolific?

Maybe because back then humans were less prolific…

Remember seals were hunted from around year 1800 here and very quickly the seals in the areas later populated by settlers were gone, the seal hunters having to concentrate on areas like Fiordland and islands south of NZ. Settler likely hardly saw a seal. Maori populations dropped too, from 200,000 to 20,000 due to disease thus reducing the fish take. Maori culled seals from their fishing grounds historically.
What also needs considered is that there was not the vast quota takes we have now. I just see seals as one part of the puzzle that has been ignored

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Locking off those reefs in tga isn't going to do anything for fish stocks, it will look pretty to all the bottle diver tourists, they need to be looking at the harbours where the juvenile fish are.
The hauraki is the most depressing dive I have ever done, the bottom that was scallops and sand is now silt/mud and fan worms, there is so many issues with our fisheries and alot of it is out of sight out of mind for fishos too, people bringing up kingy heads until the sharks get full and they can bring one up is another one that people don't seem to care about.
A positive that I have seen is the crayfish in the bop, we never really looked for crays a few years ago as it was like hunting for the last ones, but the rec quota got cut by half and the comms cut by 80percent, the bounce back has been great to see, there is more numbers and now they are getting bigger, bit of a rant but there is problems on both sides(rec and comm) and also run off etc things like these where all parties are around the same table can only be good for the fisheries

How about just shopping all inshore fishing for 20 years?

I bet that 20 years down the track everyone is pleased they did it.

Times change,just like the ban on native logging in the 90s. Could you imagine people's outrage if some logging gang started a clear fell in Westland and exported the logs ?

the other week at 11 sitting at road works along the coast...next truck driver in que says "come look at this" walks over to road barrier and shines torch...there are seals right up next to the road...lots of them..... the barriers are there to stop them going onto road and under trucks.....bumpity bumpity bump....big meaty mess.
was awesome to see so many of them there...the changed coastline has given them MORE rocks n beach to bask on....