Thread: Inshore fishing under threat?

fish arent dumb and would soon work out its safe over here....and stay there,when population gets up they get pushed into danger zone..WIN WIN....

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

fish arent dumb and would soon work out its safe over here....and stay there,when population gets up they get pushed into danger zone..WIN WIN....

Thats pretty much the sales pitch for the Motiti exclusion area but its entire reefs which leaves the fisherman with little to choose from therefore thrashing what is still allowed, not great thinking imo

I hear you.....the bouy idea possibly easier solution.....fish right up to them but no crossing the line or lumped with BIG fine or/and boat siezure ....sort of the same theory as bird sanctuary being safe breading space,except can move out at will....
in my short lifetime Ive seen wharf areas shut off from public access in Timaru....9/11 was all the reason needed.once locked up they never come back.....

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

I hear you.....the bouy idea possibly easier solution.....fish right up to them but no crossing the line or lumped with BIG fine or/and boat siezure ....sort of the same theory as bird sanctuary being safe breading space,except can move out at will....
in my short lifetime Ive seen wharf areas shut off from public access in Timaru....9/11 was all the reason needed.once locked up they never come back.....

Yeah that happened at Tauranga port too. I used to get to work at 4am, fish till 6:30 and start work at 7. Dumb part is all the ship crew just fish from their boat… go figure, i doubt the care to much for nz rules and catch quota either

so where is the problem????
the fish meal is made from waste product ex factories.....Ive spent weeks n weeks n weeks bagging the smelly crap up to send offshore....its already being used so why cant some get diverted back into pellets and fed out.....putting back has never been more fitting.

Nah the feed is bad for them. Not natural and over time diseases set in

They (govt ) look to have got away with inshore set net bans here under the guise of protecting a dolphin that doesnt even exist here.
Look for this to be rolled out accros the country very soon.

Councils across the top of the south and down each coast have been and are trying to close public access to large areas of coast....usually so someone ends up with private access/private beach.
Nelson/Tasman/Marlborough/Westcoast/Kaikoura are all in the shit for access to the sea.

This is how socialism works....control the food control the people.

Having been commercial fishing and recreational I can say there is no one size fits all soulution to anything.....It absolutely has to be area specific.

And if the ecosystem has got seriously out of whack it wont recover by itself without help wether you take no fish or not.

Kina barrens are a prime example.......seabeads smothered in mud are another...

In many cases raising minimum size of some species just means lots of fish being returned to sea to die, often a take the first 5 fish you catch regardless of size and return nothing would actually be better for the fisherys health.

Fortunately here in Tasman and Golden bays most rec species of fin fish are recovering nicely despite increased rec pressure and increased com quotas with the exceptions being blue cod and terakihi and all shellfish.
The bays have gone from the largest scollop and dredge oyster fisherys in the country to total collapse.....Zero take last 5 years for scollops and apart from the last few spots that still had them no recovery.....they bays are smothered in silt from mainly forestry but all development is to blame.

This is actually something we could help fix....studys have been done.....but we are doing nothing instead.

There is no one size fits all solution to any fish species or area.

Im all for a few reserves especially in areas that are hammered but small and access to the coast must be retained at any cost IMO.

It is your god given right to feed yourself as far as I am concerned........be you black /brown /white/yellow/rainbow.

agree on first 5 fish kept thing........it would solve many issues on fresh water fisheries in places too...the canals in particular..... disgracefull the wastage that happens up there.

Sorry Gibo I am not familiar with the situation up there. However i can speak on my local area.

I love catching fish as much as you and many others on here however i do feel that locally the rules desperately need a shake up.

The bottom structure in our bay has been completely destroyed by years of bottom trawling, there is very little reef left.

I would love to see the installation of some artificial reefs and some bottom trawl exclusion zones.

We have a local (recreational) minimum size limit for snaps of 25cm which in my opinion is too small and should be increased to 30cm.

We are also permitted 10 snaps per person which is a lot and should be lowered.

Two long lines are allowed per boat. Personally i would be happy if that was reduced to one.

I despise the recent ban/ban/ban cancel culture as much as the next guy. However....

We do need to do something to ensure our children and grandchildren can have the same fun, enjoyment and food for their family that we do. I know you will agree !

The question is what is the right path/decisions to make?

As a recreational body we are terrible at representing ourselves and often the decisions are made by those in an office with very little knowledge of what they are deciding on.

We need to be a far better collective voice !!
@veitnamcam you will have something of value to add here I am sure.










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Originally Posted by kukuwai

Sorry Gibo I am not familiar with the situation up there. However i can speak on my local area.

I love catching fish as much as you and many others on here however i do feel that locally the rules desperately need a shake up.

The bottom structure in our bay has been completely destroyed by years of bottom trawling, there is very little reef left.

I would love to see the installation of some artificial reefs and some bottom trawl exclusion zones.

We have a local (recreational) minimum size limit for snaps of 25cm which in my opinion is too small and should be increased to 30cm.

We are also permitted 10 snaps per person which is a lot and should be lowered.

Two long lines are allowed per boat. Personally i would be happy if that was reduced to one.

I despise the recent ban/ban/ban cancel culture as much as the next guy. However....

We do need to do something to ensure our children and grandchildren can have the same fun, enjoyment and food for their family that we do. I know you will agree !

The question is what is the right path/decisions to make?

As a recreational body we are terrible at representing ourselves and often the decisions are made by those in an office with very little knowledge of what they are deciding on.

We need to be a far better collective voice !!
@veitnamcam you will have something of value to add here I am sure.










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And thats the thing. I reckon just about every fisherman i know would support a sensible approach with 1 to 2 reefs out of a system of 3-4 closed but when entire reef systems either side of an island are closed it just reeks of ‘cause we can’, they just seem to go way over the top.

Originally Posted by Gibo

And thats the thing. I reckon just about every fisherman i know would support a sensible approach with 1 to 2 reefs out of a system of 3-4 closed but when entire reef systems either side of an island are closed it just reeks of ‘cause we can’, they just seem to go way over the top.

Exactly so how can we have our say and make it count?

I remember in another thread that @Russian 22. Stated that change.org was a waste of time so what Avenue should we use.

We down here will all give you our support !!

I am sure of that !!

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Originally Posted by kukuwai

Sorry Gibo I am not familiar with the situation up there. However i can speak on my local area.

I love catching fish as much as you and many others on here however i do feel that locally the rules desperately need a shake up.

The bottom structure in our bay has been completely destroyed by years of bottom trawling, there is very little reef left.

I would love to see the installation of some artificial reefs and some bottom trawl exclusion zones.

We have a local (recreational) minimum size limit for snaps of 25cm which in my opinion is too small and should be increased to 30cm.

We are also permitted 10 snaps per person which is a lot and should be lowered.

Two long lines are allowed per boat. Personally i would be happy if that was reduced to one.

I despise the recent ban/ban/ban cancel culture as much as the next guy. However....

We do need to do something to ensure our children and grandchildren can have the same fun, enjoyment and food for their family that we do. I know you will agree !

The question is what is the right path/decisions to make?

As a recreational body we are terrible at representing ourselves and often the decisions are made by those in an office with very little knowledge of what they are deciding on.

We need to be a far better collective voice !!
@veitnamcam you will have something of value to add here I am sure.










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Firstly I would say be very very careful what you wish for....
Speaking now specifically about snapper 7

Why would you or any other recreational fisher advocate for a lowering of the recreational catch limit of snapper in our finally recovering nicely....getting better year on year snapper fishery?
You do know commercial quota for snapper was increased in our region last year or maybe the one before?
Because they argue snapper are so prolific they cant fish the bay for months (or they run out of quota)
And they are asking for more.....recreational need to grab all the quota they can and hang onto it (legaly not physically ) because once that "share" of the "Total Allowable Catch" is gone we the people will never get it back.

By increasing the snapper quota for commercial and not for recreational (which they of course should have to at least match the comercial ) they have effectively taken the publics fish (yours mine your dads and mine our childrens and neighbors) and given it into OWNERSHIP OF COMERCIAL COMPANYS.
Short of complete societal breakdown civil war type shit we will never get that back.

Gurnard is up for reveiw right now and I suggest you submit and I would politely suggest you submit along the lines that if commercial quota is increased then recreational MUST be raised to match.
Or it is theft from the public by companies/the govt.

While I would like to think it is every kiwis right to catch or gather a feed the sad facts are this.
There are two groups in NZ whos rights to fish are written into law.

COMMERCIAL

And

CUSTOMARY

If you dont belong to one of those two groups you have no right to fish written into law and are at the whim of whoever is in parliament at the time.

NEVER advocate for a reduction in limit for recreational of a recovering abundant species.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

You do know commercial quota for snapper was increased in our region last year or maybe the one before?

Yes I do. I submitted against it along with many others as I am sure you did but none of the submissions were listened to and the commercial sector got what it wanted despite the submissions being overwhelmingly against it.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Gurnard is up for reveiw right now and I suggest you submit and I would politely suggest you submit along the lines that if commercial quota is increased then recreational MUST be raised to match.

I had no idea, thanks for the heads up, i will definitely submit and head your advice on the angle to take.

To be honest tho it feels a bit like tackling the mafia around here and i doubt any of us will be listened too.

I guess i advocate for an increased minimum size limit and and reduction in daily limit as i am a passionate recreational fisherman who is concerned for our fishery once plundered and now recovering!

In saying that you have a far better understanding of the overall situation than I.

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Originally Posted by kukuwai

Yes I do. I submitted against it along with many others as I am sure you did but none of the submissions were listened to and the commercial sector got what it wanted despite the submissions being overwhelmingly against it.



I had no idea, thanks for the heads up, i will definitely submit and head your advice on the angle to take.

To be honest tho it feels a bit like tackling the mafia around here and i doubt any of us will be listened too.

I guess i advocate for an increased minimum size limit and and reduction in daily limit as i am a passionate recreational fisherman who is concerned for our fishery once plundered and now recovering!

In saying that you have a far better understanding of the overall situation than I.

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Ten x 10-15 pounders is a lot of fish.

Ten 30cm fish is not a lot of fish.... especially if you are the only one fishing for a large family or only once or twice a year.

For you or I that are able to and do regularly get out for a fish and catch 10 is heaps....I very rarely keep my limit.....

but It pays to remember most people are not in a position to do what we do.

So for those that might get a trip with a friend or on a charter once or twice a year hell yea take Ten I say.

I could support a size increase to 30 tho now that trawlers cannot release small fish alive anymore due to the rule change.

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Its difficult to categorize anything these days as 'impossible' !!

With the right engineers, knowledge and belief almost anything can be achieved.

Thinking 'out of the box' has lead to some outstanding developments throughout history.

Just imagine if we COULD construct some big 'F-off' moorings. They could act as artificial reefs and as a FAD at the same time. Potentially creating some great fishing.

I made this point in my earlier post

Originally Posted by kukuwai

We need to be a far better collective voice !!

This thread serves to illustrate the reasons why unfortunately this is unlikely to happen.

Too many differing opinions and infighting !!

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