Thread: Inshore fishing under threat?

interesting how sanfords wanted to be exempt when them and talleys are the worst abusers of our public resource!

When will get tough on international ships fishing in our waters too?

I probably won't make many friends but I don't think this goes far enough or deals with the issues that the quota system has.

Originally Posted by Mohawk .308

No good burying your head in the sand mate, it’s not going to just go away.

What are you saying i have to just listen to the racist cnuts on here, fuck off!

Originally Posted by Mohawk .308

No good burying your head in the sand mate, it’s not going to just go away.

not every one who goes on about dem plurry maori's does so in a reasonable manner or a logical/rational way.

your message of equal rules for all will be ignored if you don't put it across in a nice manner

ok so call me dumb/ignorant/naive but why shut off whole harbour/reef....would it not be just about as effective to shut off half of it.....you could say not fish on south side of line of bouys but not on north side....be easier to police that way too as could do it from shore with cameras.....
commercial interests have been rapeing resouce forever...I worked in fish factory for a few years and nearly ten on wharf so saw alot..... and the changes a few short years made on resource...
and while Im up on high horse.....why not install pellet feeders on the likes of wharfs to actually FEED THE FISH.....like is done on salmon farms.....wouldnt need to be huge amount and fish would congregate.... where you have little fish you end up with bigger fish....sort of help out the bottom end and attract for fishing folks at same time..... thats a thought from days in fish factory on waterside,where all waste product got turned into fish meal.....dead easy to make pellets and have feeder pop them back into ocean.....wharf fishing is not a scratch on what it used to be.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

ok so call me dumb/ignorant/naive but why shut off whole harbour/reef....would it not be just about as effective to shut off half of it.....you could say not fish on south side of line of bouys but not on north side....be easier to police that way too as could do it from shore with cameras.....
commercial interests have been rapeing resouce forever...I worked in fish factory for a few years and nearly ten on wharf so saw alot..... and the changes a few short years made on resource...
and while Im up on high horse.....why not install pellet feeders on the likes of wharfs to actually FEED THE FISH.....like is done on salmon farms.....wouldnt need to be huge amount and fish would congregate.... where you have little fish you end up with bigger fish....sort of help out the bottom end and attract for fishing folks at same time..... thats a thought from days in fish factory on waterside,where all waste product got turned into fish meal.....dead easy to make pellets and have feeder pop them back into ocean.....wharf fishing is not a scratch on what it used to be.

Yeah compromise seems to be a thing of the past

fish arent dumb and would soon work out its safe over here....and stay there,when population gets up they get pushed into danger zone..WIN WIN....

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

fish arent dumb and would soon work out its safe over here....and stay there,when population gets up they get pushed into danger zone..WIN WIN....

Thats pretty much the sales pitch for the Motiti exclusion area but its entire reefs which leaves the fisherman with little to choose from therefore thrashing what is still allowed, not great thinking imo

I hear you.....the bouy idea possibly easier solution.....fish right up to them but no crossing the line or lumped with BIG fine or/and boat siezure ....sort of the same theory as bird sanctuary being safe breading space,except can move out at will....
in my short lifetime Ive seen wharf areas shut off from public access in Timaru....9/11 was all the reason needed.once locked up they never come back.....

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

ok so call me dumb/ignorant/naive but why shut off whole harbour/reef....would it not be just about as effective to shut off half of it.....you could say not fish on south side of line of bouys but not on north side....be easier to police that way too as could do it from shore with cameras.....
commercial interests have been rapeing resouce forever...I worked in fish factory for a few years and nearly ten on wharf so saw alot..... and the changes a few short years made on resource...
and while Im up on high horse.....why not install pellet feeders on the likes of wharfs to actually FEED THE FISH.....like is done on salmon farms.....wouldnt need to be huge amount and fish would congregate.... where you have little fish you end up with bigger fish....sort of help out the bottom end and attract for fishing folks at same time..... thats a thought from days in fish factory on waterside,where all waste product got turned into fish meal.....dead easy to make pellets and have feeder pop them back into ocean.....wharf fishing is not a scratch on what it used to be.

The trouble with the feeding idea is…. The pellets are fish based, from fish processing.


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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

I hear you.....the bouy idea possibly easier solution.....fish right up to them but no crossing the line or lumped with BIG fine or/and boat siezure ....sort of the same theory as bird sanctuary being safe breading space,except can move out at will....
in my short lifetime Ive seen wharf areas shut off from public access in Timaru....9/11 was all the reason needed.once locked up they never come back.....

Yeah that happened at Tauranga port too. I used to get to work at 4am, fish till 6:30 and start work at 7. Dumb part is all the ship crew just fish from their boat… go figure, i doubt the care to much for nz rules and catch quota either

so where is the problem????
the fish meal is made from waste product ex factories.....Ive spent weeks n weeks n weeks bagging the smelly crap up to send offshore....its already being used so why cant some get diverted back into pellets and fed out.....putting back has never been more fitting.

they would care if ship was siezed.......

Nah the feed is bad for them. Not natural and over time diseases set in

Originally Posted by Russian 22.

interesting how sanfords wanted to be exempt when them and talleys are the worst abusers of our public resource!

When will get tough on international ships fishing in our waters too?

I probably won't make many friends but I don't think this goes far enough or deals with the issues that the quota system has.

I would be interested to know which specific international vessels fish inside our teritorial waters?

They (govt ) look to have got away with inshore set net bans here under the guise of protecting a dolphin that doesnt even exist here.
Look for this to be rolled out accros the country very soon.

Councils across the top of the south and down each coast have been and are trying to close public access to large areas of coast....usually so someone ends up with private access/private beach.
Nelson/Tasman/Marlborough/Westcoast/Kaikoura are all in the shit for access to the sea.

This is how socialism works....control the food control the people.

Having been commercial fishing and recreational I can say there is no one size fits all soulution to anything.....It absolutely has to be area specific.

And if the ecosystem has got seriously out of whack it wont recover by itself without help wether you take no fish or not.

Kina barrens are a prime example.......seabeads smothered in mud are another...

In many cases raising minimum size of some species just means lots of fish being returned to sea to die, often a take the first 5 fish you catch regardless of size and return nothing would actually be better for the fisherys health.

Fortunately here in Tasman and Golden bays most rec species of fin fish are recovering nicely despite increased rec pressure and increased com quotas with the exceptions being blue cod and terakihi and all shellfish.
The bays have gone from the largest scollop and dredge oyster fisherys in the country to total collapse.....Zero take last 5 years for scollops and apart from the last few spots that still had them no recovery.....they bays are smothered in silt from mainly forestry but all development is to blame.

This is actually something we could help fix....studys have been done.....but we are doing nothing instead.

There is no one size fits all solution to any fish species or area.

Im all for a few reserves especially in areas that are hammered but small and access to the coast must be retained at any cost IMO.

It is your god given right to feed yourself as far as I am concerned........be you black /brown /white/yellow/rainbow.