any one shooting one ?
how does it compare to the 25-06 and 22-250 thanks
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any one shooting one ?
how does it compare to the 25-06 and 22-250 thanks
With modern powders, and in particular H Hybrid v100, the .257 is right up the arse of the 25.06 for less powder and less drama.
I've got one based on a small ring Brno Mauser and new trueflight barrel. You or anyone else can have it for $750 with rings. I'm cutting right back on the number of rifles I own and don't use.
I shoot a .257 Roberts Ack Imp BSA Majestic action with a Douglas barrel. Tahr is right, with modern powders, ADI 2213SC and Norma 205, and Berger 115gr VLD hunting it will do anything the 25-06 will do.
It is not as good as either.
Not as good for big game as the 06 and not as good as the 22-250 for small game.
There is a reason it has faded into obscurity.
It has novelty value but little else going for it.
Why?
Because it will shot the same bullets faster?
257 Bob as good as 2506? really, yeah-nah, pass the Tui mate!
Show me the .257 Roberts that can launch a 120gn Speer Grandslam at 3200, or a 100gn Swift or TTSX at 3400.
The Roberts is a nice wee short to medium range calibre for small to medium animals.
The Roberts to Remington comparison is pretty much the same deal as comparing .260 Rem to .264 Win mag.
Never wanted to buy one as there were better options as a deer calibre imo. (and due to the lack of popularity of the Roberts, I am not the only one who thinks so.)
looks like i opened up a can of worms
everyone running for the ugly and whup arse sticks :ORLY:
In any .25 cal, if you want to kill clean and fast at range, speed is everything because bc is lacking compared to say,6.5, I can reliably kill Tahr at +400yds fast and clean, I would be reluctant at 300yds with a Roberts on a strong bull, lots of yanks use 2506 on Elk, it is one of the top selling calibres in the US, but you don't hear about them using the Roberts on those or the Dall Ram ect, using your argument we could all dump our .308's and use 30-30's instead.
Hang about. The 120 grn .257 has a higher SD and BC of the equivalent 6.5
I just think you guys have got the hates on the .257 Roberts because it is low key, not flashy and not full of bullshit. :D
@Shearer the 22-250 is an arsehole of a thing. Loud, barrel burner, absolutely useless on even a wee fallow deer. Not practical for rabbits as its way to deer to run.
You can't go wrong with the 257 Roberts it leaves the .243 for dead when loaded with 100 bullets. it is a reloaders calibre factory ammo is underloaded, I have a 25/06 and really don't need all the drama a Bob would do as well
at the distances I shoot, 300 metres is the longest shot I have made, if the target is further away I stalk closer, people shoot reds with .243's and nobody gives them any grief the Bob has a big following in the US they are owned by reloaders who know the value of a good cartridge, The Hornady 100 grain spire point was probably designed for the .257 Roberts with the new powders it can make 3000fps even the 117 SPBT can reach 2800fps Deer haven't got any tougher in recent years, The Germans knew what they were doing when they developed the 57mm case some of the best calibre's are built on it, the 5.6x57 6mm Rem 6x57 .257 Roberts 6.5x57 7x57 8x57 9x57 9.3x57 9.5x57
all do a great job of taking animals like Deer with out any fuss, I wouldn't trade my 25/06 for a Roberts but I have a slot in a gun cabinet for one:thumbsup:
Have had a .257 improved for 25 years - first rifle I owned. Similar to Tahr's; small-ring Brno Mauser, and also currently fitted with a True Flite having shot out 3 barrels prior to this one. My one and only bush rifle. With a short or long action I'd probably pick something else, but is still worthy of consideration for a medium length. I can't see 100ft/sec making much difference over the -06. No performance complaints that couldn't be attributed to limitations common to the 6mm - 6.5mm bore sizes.
I've got a .257 in a custom Mauser, it too is a VZ33 Brno action. Its a fine cartridge. The .257 Roberts will do anything the .243 will do, only better, and the .243 can do everything....comparing it to the .25/06, it's not as fast. LOL. (But let's remember that often .25/06's are not as fast as people want them to be either, I had one and couldn't get more than 3050fps with a 117 grain bullet out of it.) But I have nothing against the .25/06.
If you want to compare it with something, compare it with a 6.5x55 or a .260 Remington shooting 120 grain bullets; with 100 grain bullets, it's like a .243.
It is a very friendly cartridge.
If you don't like it because you think its 'obsolete', that's fine, but I think you would have to get creative to make an argument that you couldn't hunt anything you liked in this country with one and do just as well as any other high powered rifle cartridge, except with less recoil. But people who think that way are usually .308 or 7mm-08 owners, and shouldn't be allowed on threads about interesting cartridges.
I would get one instead of a .260 Rem. I would get one instead of a 6.5x55. I would get one instead of a .243. I would get one instead of a .25/06, but I wouldn't if I already had one. I would get one if I was a handloader.
Ignore the above comment. The Roberts is a lot better than the 25-06. And I say that after many years experience with both. I used a Roberts for many years before switching to a 25-06 after my Roberts was stolen. I went to the 06 as I thought "well it should do everything the Roberts did but better" and I still had lots of 25 cal projectiles etc. Well my shooting didn't change but I found the 06 did not put deer down as well as the Roberts. (My shooting was with reds in national park and fallow around Wanganui) So that's practical experience. In years of use with the Roberts all the deer I shot went down like they were hit by lightning. So it's a mild shooting cartridge, knocks deer down like lightning and doesn't use much powder. What's not to like?
Firstly, I would like to apologise to all the 257 Roberts fans I have offended (all 6 of you).
I have never owned a 257 Roberts (or a 25-06 or 22-250) and am not ever likely to. My comments in this thread were a response to the original post.
If I had to choose a big game (deer, pigs) cartridge from ONE of the above 3, it would not be the 257 Roberts. I consider all three to be on the "light" side for my liking, so the 06 is the obvious choice. Just a bit more energy and range capability with heavier projectiles.
If I had to choose ONE of the above 3 for small game (rabbits, hares, wallabys), it would not be the 257 Roberts. 22 cal is far more to my liking for such work.
@Wirehunt. Yes the 22-250 is loud and harder on barrels than most (maybe why I have a 223) but it is more suited to small game than the other two.
@Kudu. If your kill rate went down with the 25-06 compared to the 257 Roberts with the same projectiles, then the only thing I can think is that you shot the 257 better or those projectiles didn't like the extra speed. Can't think of any other logical reason for it. After all, the deer wouldn't have known what cartridge you were using.
The 'bob' is rather unique but there are reasons it is not very popular.
Original factory ammo was loaded quite soft so it didn't seem very impressive when the 243 came along at full power built on a modern short action. Rightly or wrongly that is what people wanted - more power in a modern rifle.
Yes, you can hand load for it (and will generally have to because of the dismal array of factory ammo available for it - if anyone even stocks it) but the modern short action doesn't sit well with the case which is about 5mm longer than the 243 family. A bit limiting case capacity wise if you want to load the heavier for calibre projectiles to maximum velocity. The action length that best suits this cartridge (like the Mauser) are much less common now so is it really worth the bother? If you are really into the rare and wonderful, how about a 250-3000 Savage? Very similar performance to the 'bob' (handloaded) and even harder to get ammo for.
Please note - the above comments and observations are entirely my own personal point of view related to the first post in this thread. The 257 Roberts will kill things just like many other cartridges and if that is the cartridge you want just get one.
comparing it to a 6.5 shooting 120s seems odd, because you'd be mad to use 120s in a 6.5
well, bye
also the .243, correctly loaded, has more potential than a .25-06. well, bye again
also .257 Roberts has a certain intangible factor of being "neat". Bye for real this time
@sakkaranz I guess you meant 'expert'.
If you read what I posted again you will see I did not "put down" the cartridge. I pointed out the reasons I thought it was not popular and that there are others I rate more highly. And no, I am very unlikely to shoot every cartridge in existence to see which one I like best.
Like buying a vehicle, I won't go out and test drive a sports car if I want it for going off road and I won't test shoot a 44 magnum if I want to shoot game at 500m. I have never felt the need to 'try' a 257 Roberts because its performance does not fit my needs. As I said. If it fits yours, go for it.
PS. Found a cheap left handed 20cal yet???
lol
no they all seem to be .270
No one who knows what a ballistic coefficient would ever own a 25cal for related reasons. I own and use a 257 Roberts for one reason, it's just cool... There are no free lunches in physics so you may as well get a 280 if you're going to burn as much powder as you do in any 06 case...
was going to say pluto but maybe its your anus :pissed off:
I said "bye" 3 times, does it seem likely that I meant it?
everyone seems hooked up on muzzle velocity no one has touched on accuracy ,recoil,barrel life,or noise level ?
Im unlike everyone else who has commented so far as I have no real world experience with all the above mentioned cartridges [emoji57] ...so I'd just get a .260. Cheap to run, good barrel life, recoil zero and usable on varmints deer etc... and you can be Gimps' mate not these other prick's mate [emoji106][emoji41][emoji41]bye
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Indeed it does, it has a certain old school cachet.
Whenever I write something its always about killing deer, and with a 6.5 and 120's, I found that the 120's killed deer better in the 6.5x55 than the 140's. I thought there was a definite difference.
Your comment about the .243 having more potential than a .25/06, I don't quite understand, perhaps a typo and you meant the .257 Roberts, but I would disagree with you even there, assuming both loaded to the same pressures. But this is not a put down of the .243 because I love that little killer like a brother and I am trying not to buy another one at the moment.