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600 yards with a 308 at an animal is to long for me. At that distance you really need to be practicing a lot to be consitently hitting where you want to. Long range competition shooting in a blustery wind is a real eye opener
One solution is for all you guys to turn up to the Toby shoot and have a crack at the 600 yard gong, make sure you bring lots of over the counter ammo and of course some ��
Basically cash up front and have a go, winner takes all.
Done that. Took a couple to get onto the plate. You don't have that luxury shooting at a deer.Quote:
Originally Posted by 300winmag
Are you sure about those numbers?Quote:
Originally Posted by A330driver
And is this mate and the sniper one and the same?
Yes......
No....
I’m staggered they stabilize. Almost unbelievable.
2400FPSish I presume.
And using a pretty decent BC of mid .5’s it’s still almost a meter of drift at 600 in a normal wind.
Fuck that for a joke! Irresponsible!
Just about EVERY option is better than that one.
no more so than using subsonics at anything past 50 yards really.....
200's will stabilize in a 1/11 at 2450fps.
Id do it in a low wind situation, but indeed there is always better options, faster, higher bc and both
A few reports of guys running tight bartleins are getting 190/200 up over the 2550fps mark in shortish barrels, heavy dosing of rl15 and lapua palma brass I think
What sort of a thread is this ?
A variable pitch and squeal one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagheera
Its the Random Claim and Argument Thread. Set up specifically so grumpy old men can sling insults and make wild claims and recriminatory accusations. A form of light entertainment. Like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagheera
I've been shooting lots of pukekos with Rob's subsonic 151gr 308 lead pills well past 100m! Plague proportions. Deadly effective. Ha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Far too many variables to consider, the fact the question is asked at all, raises questions..........
Personally, in open country, my first thought process is all about how can I get closer and reduce the variables and improve the odds. The odds not being, can I hit it from here at my 600m mark, but can I kill the animal cleanly, quickly and humanely. I refuse to deal in maybe, luck and hope.
For easily available ammo, good killing power pretty hard to go past 7mm rem mag or 300 win mag. If he's only shooting the odd deer or tahr then surely he can live with the recoil (shoot a brake or live with the suppressor weight, no free lunches), plus having a little extra grunt will help if shot placement is a little off, if he's willing to hunt that way. Not my cup of tea.
I'd want the factory stuff shooting at least 1/2 MOA. 600 metres is a fairly tough shot if there's anymore than a light breeze.
Check out some of the long range hunting guys on youtube, you'll see the wind drift they're dealing with. Practice will never make perfect when dealing with wind :thumbsup:
There you go, I learnt something today. Cleary .30cal is a more naturally 'stable' projectile size. I have zero experience with the 30' out of an 08 size case.Quote:
Originally Posted by striker
Its still a retarded idea to try and push that size projectile from the o8 case though right? Why would you go to all that trouble when almost everything in the gun world is a better option?
There's nothing quite like a long range "hunting" thread to get the blood boiling.
And 600m isn't even long range!
Technically, 600m is medium range, according to... er... someone. NRA? http://longrangehunting.com? Nathan Foster?
Gotta love YouTube, it's created a whole new generation of long range hunters, almost overnight! Gotta love high BC long-for-calibre bullets too. You can do anything with those...
New Zealand is almost uniquely setup for longer range shooting of animals, due to the contour. Perfect valleys to shoot across. King Country, Western Ruapehu and Taranaki at the top of the list. Tumbling goats! And in some circumstances, that can be a significant plus for the farmers who otherwise might really struggle to clear goats off their back blocks, those with a boundary to the native.
But lighthearted banter aside... its a serious business.
Anyone that cannot recite their drops off by heart shouldn't even think about it.
But I will lay a polite challenge to the auto-naysayers, and say that fast kill rates are maybe a lot higher that you might think, in practiced hands, especially on smaller animals like goats, yearling deer, medium pigs. Yes of course you get the odd fail and anyone that says they don't is a liar, but that's no different to lost deer at close range in the woods. It happens.
Personally, I'm very comfortable in the 400-600m, with my setup. It's limited, and I know what those limits are. Occasionally, in perfect circumstances in terrain I know like the back of my hand, I'll go a little longer. Goats and small deer. To a large extent, its a prerequisite of the permission, there's an expectation that my efforts will return a suitable number of dead pests. It's important that I can deliver to that expectation.
If I want a decent sized meat animal that I can recover, I move to flatter contour and get a shit load closer! Simple really.
Sometimes, as hunters, the pest control type shooting muddies the waters. And a lot of that makes it onto YouTube and I think that's a problem. The standard content warning "This is a hunting video, viewer discretion advised" actually should say "This is a pest control video". The outcome is no different to the videos of terriers catching rats. Dead animals left to rot. Totally different business.
Yes of course there is an obligation to kill humanely, but in practical terms the rules of engagement are different to the purist meat hunter, who is shooting for the table. You can throw spotlighting pest deer into the mix, or WARO on private land. Necessary work. Enjoyable, if that's your thing. There's no obligation or expectation that every animal will be recovered, the last one I was involved in the recovery rate was around 70%, all for pet food.
So shooting animals at 600m, or whatever range you consider "long" and for many that's anything over 200m, is a more complex issue than it is often regarded on these kinds of threads.
If I can't get to it, and I want to recover it, I don't shoot it, no matter what the range. If I don't need to recover it, then I might shoot it, if my assessment of the variables is positive. Nothing more to it.
Quote..”Its still a retarded idea to try and push that size projectile from the o8 case though right? Why would you go to all that trouble when almost everything in the gun world is a better option?”
I rest my case....some people actually learn some things... me too
Quote”...Its still a retarded idea “
Who’s retarded
.358 winchester anyone????
Lol
horse's for course's I suppose, I use 200's because they work well for me and the rifle likes them, slow but accurate and predictableQuote:
Originally Posted by Proudkiwi
as they say run what ya brung, so until every thing gets govt banned or I re-barrel
that said I wouldnt mind trying the palma brass and trying for the next accuracy node up around 2600fps
Yeah, I get that. If that's what you've got then compromise is the name of the game. And if it delivers what you need then all good.
I was coming at this from the context of 'what's an ideal new 600m gun'?
In that situation an 08 case pushing 200's doesn't make any sense.
In yours it does.
308 Hornady 165gr SSTs good for 600mtrs.With no wind around can be reliable on kill shots and has the energy.But id use a 300wsm or 300wm if you are going to shoot a lot around 600mtrs plus
What a fucking hoot this thread is!
If you can whack a rabbit out to 230ish metres you can whack a deer at 600.
If you can't do the first don't do the second.
I've always found that a drop of 3-1 oil down the barrel for long distance shots from my Winchester 1902 in 22 standard velocity. Hair line cracks began to appear at the muzzle. I was told that this is a common failure when over stressing the firearm from taking long distance shots. No more cracks in 40 odd years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wirehunt
I'm impressed you own a .22. I don't.
I'm sorry but I fail to see how the distance your shooting at has any effect on the barrel causing cracks etc, it wouldn't make any difference if you were shooting at 20 yards or 200 yards the projectile still travel down the barrel the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by outlander
If your getting hairline cracks surely that is ftom misuse or poor quality materials....just saying :wut:
He's taking the piss dannyb
Oh thank goodness :D I had to read it like 3 times thinking surely I'm reading this wrong :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wirehunt
You'll know for next time...:)Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyb
It's a beast alright. Always go for the single shot buggers...less bullet resistance.:oQuote:
Originally Posted by Wirehunt
For long shots at the point of pulling the trigger I thrust the while gun forward. Calculated out at 25fps additional speed. Flatter trajectory.
I built a 600m gun, the two deer it has taken so far were at 87yds and 10yds...
Back to what round. No one has mentioned (unless I missed it:wtfsmilie:) one very important variable...if your thinking of going the mag root......you might just have to hand it:( obviously for less dollars than you paid for it.
Mind you I’d just be handing in the barrel ah so what ever your rig make sure your action can be re-chambered in something else non magnum just in case;)
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Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst
You need to move your sofa back further from the window:ORLY:
too busy adjusting their man buns and using beard oil to comment :PQuote:
Originally Posted by longrange308
It's for that exact reason I never oil the stock of my rifles with 3-1 oil anymore. Can't hold the buggers after the thrust. Picking them up at my feet after every shot sucks. Otherwise a 25 fps gain is being conservative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remmodel7
And here I was, thinking he must be a 'crack-shot'Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyb
PS; Use a 6.5....any variety. Once the deer see it, they usually die on the spot, they know there's no point in running..and think what you'll save on ammo.. (6.5, what every .270 wants to be..)