Whats factory round capable of shooting out to around the 600m mark using factory rounds of the shelf for a hunting rifle.
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Whats factory round capable of shooting out to around the 600m mark using factory rounds of the shelf for a hunting rifle.
work it backwards
how much energy do you require at that distance????
so you now know what weight projectile you will need if say starting out at 3000fps or 2700fps
that will narrow it down somewhat...
then what calibre and cartridge will deliver that
then what factory load can YOU ACTUALLY PURCHASE that meets that criteria
or just say.270 or .30/06 or 7mm mag or .308 or .280rem or just start a shite slinging match cause I can piss further than he can LOL
A mate has asked me but i have never needed to shoot that far myself.
Couple of people have told him to go to a 7mm rem mag set up for a all round hunting gun
UNLESS he is going to carry a rangefinder and drop chart.....really shouldnt be pushing it past say 350 any way....
He will be using a range finder, drop chart and is cable of long range shooting (wants to get a new set up with factory loads)
Id throw 300 win mag into that list but at that type of distance even with the aid of drop charts and a rangefinder you better be bloody good at reading wind and have a truck load of practice behind you.
I believe shooting well with a 22 rf to 200 meters would be good practice.
hearing good things about the hornady factory .270 loadings...think its a 145grn eldx type of thing...or maybe a SST they are fair honking along whatever they are. and seen to be accurate enough and preform at terminal end of things...but then the poohseventy is old and boring....heck if an old bush hobbit like me can drop deer with single round at 300-350 yards with a boring old hornady cup n core 140grn loaded not too hotly...someone with a good load/scope/drop chart could do it a hell of alot further out with out fuss or bother.
Bloody heaps, particularly with the new design projectiles even down to the 6mm. For me a 25 calibre and a 120 grain projectiles at 3000 fps starting point.
yeah ...... the fact that hes even asking the question makes you question his ability. 600m on factory ammo is a long way. unless its working with correct b.cs ect.
Shit come on where’s the 270 gang????
finally saw the light and got something decent :D
I throw the 6.5x55 and creedmore, on that list, as well as both WSM, depending on game size, 280AI if supported my your local store, was pretty common a few years back.
South Island Thar and reds, or North island Sika, fallow, reds, I pick different cal,
Lightweight hunting rifle, I forget the 300 mags, due to slappy, heavy recoil, with the heavy high BC bullets, ie 200 gr. ( I've got a 7.7lb 300 win, and a 8.13 oz, 300 H&H,) the 300 win is much more difficult, to be consistent with. And the 300 Hurt and Holler, gets kinda heavy after a day.
Think I would go, with the 6.5 creedmore or 7-08, 308, if my primary hunting was Sika, fallow, the odd red,
For down south, I like a bit more energy and bullet weight, I would pick the .270 win, .270 WSM or 7 mm mag, 280AI, depending on what my local sports store, supported, with most suitable ammo choices.
Sum good cals, that are not well supported, with ammo in NZ. Ie .264 win, 6.5x284, 7x57,.280, 7X64, 3006,
If you think you might shoot to 600 yards you need something that will kill well at that range (and have the ballistics to reliably arrive where you aim), not something that kills well halfway to 600.
That rules out a lot of calibers already mentioned. I wouldn't even consider anything in the 308 case capacity range. It would simply be cruel.
Quote..I wouldn't even consider anything in the 308 case capacity range. It would simply be cruel.
Tahr ...question...my mate uses 190gr,1;10 twist,22 in barrel...Ive seen him take caribou out ,clean kill at 6-700 yds...and that’s a .308........your thoughts??
30-06 is a great all round cartridge with 180 @ 2700fps or 165 @ 2900fps. Or.300 wsm - 7*61S&H - 7rem mag types ifcyou want to play around.
What is he trying to kill ?
Bull thar at 600 is very different from fallow at 600...
You want enough energy at the far end. So something like a 30-06 with heavy projectiles or one of the common magnums (7mm or 300) seems sensible.
7mm rem mag with hornady sst or eldx. I agree that if you need to ask the question you maybe aren't ready for that far. One thing tho, once you choose 7mm rem mag or 300 win or what ever stick to it and just learn to shoot it read wind I found it hard swapping rifles, cals every 100-200 rounds.
I hunt open tops mostly and with a 7mm rem mag and in 15 years I have only needed to take 1 or 2 shots out to 550 yards the rest have been under 450 yards which most medium calibers are a capable of. Large calibers make a mess of small deer so need to be accurate enough to take meat saving shots, i.e. the neck.
My suggestion is get good with whAt you got and stalk in a bit closer.
I’d suggest 7mmRM or 30-06, both capable of taking NZ game out to 600.... but require accurate shot placement. To my mind the bigger question is factory ammo. Having the right calibre is only half way there - you need to have ammo with the right type of high bc pill that will shoot accurately, preferably 0.5 moa or better in your rifle. And don’t believe the speed written on the box. So you want to check which calibre/s offers the best range of long range high bc factory ammo. For any long range shooting you really need to go to hand loads so you can get the performance needed from your rifle. I hand load for pretty much all my rifles, and have occasionally tried some of the new wiz-bang flash harry factory ammo and been very disappointed
Anyone of the 7mm or 300 magnums and learn to shoot consistently accurate to that distance.
that's the theory I use kind of makes sense
I would have thought if your talking specifics , a calibre for shooting animals at 600m a 30-06 would really be a starting point , I mean why would you perhaps undergun your self if your specifically wanting to shoot at that range it makes no sense , I have a 308 its my go to , on paper can shoot sub MOA out to 500y but I can tell you if I think there's a reasonable chance of shooting something at that range I grab the 7mm rm , and there lies the answer to the question ,why would I grab my 308 knowing im likely going to shoot animals beyond that 500y mark & its simple the 7mm rm is far superior than a 308 at that range , so any of the lesser calibres mentioned in this thread is pointless , something else to consider is the actual rifle it self they vary greatly some in the same cal kick more than others id go for perhaps a slightly heaver model with a better than average trigger ideally around that 2-3lb pull mark , don't be fooled by the salesman telling you how sweet that trigger is as most factory rifles are not set that low .
like others have said on here, in other psots- once you go 7mm rm, you gain weight-suppresor size- cost and boot- if you stay with 3006 based cartridges you minimise those things.
Simple answer, non magnum if 600 was your max then 270 3006 280ai will do the job.
Or any of the wsm or magnum cartridges. One thing to consider factory ammo wise is wsm ammo is really expensive and harder to come by compared to the 7mm rem mag and 300 win mag ammo.
7mag, 270wsm, Both manageable recoil with good technique, both capable at that range. More energy, less drift than the same size projectile being pushed slower by the non magnums.
.280AI is pretty damn expensive, close to $100.00 for a box of 20. Makes me glad that I reload.
22
Waaay to far for me
Quote...It is accepted that if you do your job and put the bullet where it counts, you can count on the .308 to do its job and incapacitate the target. The US Army preaches an 800 meter maximum effective range for the .308, the USMC preaches a 1000 yard (915 meter) max effective range.
You wont go wrong with a remmag
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Good point ...the only reason I posted that is My son has a mate who has done 3 tours as a sniper with the USMC,Ive talked to him at length about the .308,which a lot of them use as their preferred rifle......some interesting conversations about its ”killabilty”......human and animal......animal is what I’m interested in,and yes I understand the military does not use off the shelf ammo.
When talking to him about big game shots.....anything under 500-600,you’ll take it out ,600-800 has to be accurately placed......1000,....luck!!!........190 gr is what Ill be using.......on a side note,he says he’s taken-out “targets”800-1000 without hesitation
I agree with many posters here,re stalking skills etc,The 308 long range that I’ve purchased is mostly for long range target shooting,500-800,something Ive done little off,and bought a reload kit for that round as the young fella(sniper) has agreeded to tutor me in the finer points of long distance shooting...looking fwd to it