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Blahahaha, As usual Gimp you got the wrong end of the stick ( actually I think you got the end with shit on it :x_x: ) I do'nt load test at 4hundy I do it at a hundy like most people, then always test & sight the load Ive choosen at 200.
must admit though that I do'nt shoot as much as I would like to, I surpose it's all about making yourself find the time :)
Fuck a bit slow, I would of blasted that plate with a dozen rounds out the Shorttrac in the time it took ya to shoot those two :brzzzzz: :D
Challenge accepted.
Todays shooting.
-6C and 1028 hPa.
Scope not adjusted between loads.
Vertical spread is shooter erro rmethinks.
I have a 0.6 MOA rifle ?
http://kammeret.no/bilder/albums/use..._Blaser_dz.JPG
Here is a target shot @ 200m(219y?) was checking POI difference off bags vs pod worst group 1.5" amax best group barnes .67"
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Rock River Arms Elite Operator, two 5 shot groups, 100m resting the vertical grip on a sand bag, rolled up swanny as rear bag, 77gr SMK, 24.1gr Reloder 15.
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Other three holes are from generic fodder made with bulk amount in mind
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I'd call this load as "showing promise". Have shot a quite a few sub 1" 3&5 shot groups with a bunch of different factory loads over the time I've had it. It is generally a .75-1MOA shooter off the bench. It's average group size opened up quite a bit until I cleaned the tube properly, but this was after probably 300+ rounds with nothing but the occasional oily patch down it.
I think gimp is trying to get at the difference in potential accuracy and consistent accuracy. I had a T3 once that every now and then shot a sub-MOA group with cheap ammo but most the time would shoot ~1.5"-2"... Potentially it was a sub-MOA rifle but not consistently... If you want to go bragging about small group sizes step up to the gimp's challenge.
Thats why I posted 4 groups shot in two different styles with 2 different loads,worst under.75 MOA
I wasnt:D
I haven't owned many rifles but I would have thought pretty consistent MOA performance would be the norm for a modern factory rifle with a load that it likes.
Certainly you would be pissed if your mega buck custom rifle wouldnt shoot MOA?
Only reason I post those two groups is cuz it is the only photographic evidence of how that rifle shoots. Will update next time I shoot it for score. It's up to you guys whether you believe it or not. I won't lie, it shoots like a shotgun with some ammo. I will add that the "all day long" thing does sound really gay. It boggles my mind some of the stuff I've seen at the local range, where guys that have sunk a ton of money into rifles, optics etc have their shots going all over the place. Then the aforementioned " oh yea that's good enough to hit a deer" comes into it. My mate shot like a 7" 3 shot group at 200m with his .270 and thought fuck yea that's good. You will usually find those kinds of people think that their gear is the shit and you're a wanker if you don't get this caliber or this rifle brand. It's a load of shit and all part of a dumb, immature fudd mentality. But I digress...
At the Dunedin NZDA range a MOA is about as rare as a Moa most Saturdays, let alone one with 5 shots on 5 different targets.
OK, here goes my very quick effort with my 20 Tactical. 25.4gr N133, CCI 450's 40gr vmax. Shot a group a minute with a minute between groups. Bipod with small field bag, same as when I'm rabbit shooting. Rate of fire is similar to what it can be like when rabbit shooting too! 0.681 average...
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I like this target as a true test of accuracy and shooting ability.
Maybe we should standardise it for 100?? :D
Or this one Official NRA Small Bore Rifle Targets Long Gun Shooting Targets
Dammit cocked that up but similar with scoring rings
I haven't really tried to shoot groups before, but I needed to get a windage zero on my f class rifle, so I zeroed my windage, then threw another 5 shots at it just for gimp :)
First shot was my point of impact, moved it over to zero the windage.
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Only just read this thread, most of my ammo has been earmarked for the upcoming LR day but could probably manage a few groups with the 223 in a couple of days.
I love how people complain about other peoples groups.
Its very easy to hold MOA with an accurate rifle and ideal conditions.
Its very hard to hold MOA with an accurate rifle and most hunting conditions.
Deal with it, practice, move on.
MOA isn't even good, I dont think ive ever seen a rifle that couldnt shoot under MOA with tuning.
Chris
To me its not IF you can shoot 1" c/c at 100y...It's HOW. If somebody told me they did it on their guts with a bipod i'd be fairly impressed actually. If they did it in a fair breeze i'd also be very impressed. Putting 5 rounds on the same spot only tells me that your wind stayed nice and constant. You're also a guy that can keep his heart rate down too. But as for the capability of a modern rifle, i believe a good shot could pick up ANY T3 or remington or savage and shoot sub MOA.
I've done it with a spring powered semi recoiless air rifle (an RWS '54) using a shitty simmons 4x scope off a bench. It took me 2 days of endless pellets down range until the wind stopped for a full 5 mins. Thats doing it with only 800ft/sec with 21gn 'barracouda' pellets.
Im all for sending mountains of lead downrange (i wont be as i cant afford it ha ha). But i do think there's a good balance point between perfectionism and being practical. Enough range time / comp time to ensure that the hunting stays sharp and vice versa.
Done this today after i had my rifle bedded, it's only 3 but it is pissing down with rain sporadically today so it was a get it done and go situation.
At 100m of the bonnet of my truck.
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Yeah not at all easy but had to be done, away hunting this arvo just hope the rain stops at some stage.
Triangle is 26mm so just over an inch.
Did that a couple of times in the weekend of my bonnet for the first three shots with the 22-250Ai with 75gr amaxs (well one like it and one close) but it was bloody hard getting five shot groups like it of the bonnet, Mind you I wasn't let it cool between shots either as I was just testing some loads quickly, Forgot the table so couldn't use the chrony...so just banged them off quickly and one load looks to be a keeper :D
No point waiting for the rifle to cool each time between shots to much as that is not how it happens in the feild.... Might get the tiny little group but at least the first three must stay tight..... and up here there is F/all rabbits so you dont shoot many more than that in quick repitition so this rig has a lighter barrel.... But it does seam to open up after the first three.....or my shooting turns to shit :P
A couple of the shots the bypod slid on the bonnet but still happy enough with the load testing to load a bunch for now, will try another powder at some stage for max speed but this will do the owner of the rifle as it shoots further than he can see the rabits with the naked eye.
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Got a new stainless .223 barrel for the blaser and it shot very well with the first load tried.
Had sort of a go at this challange as well but only fired 5 rounds at 5 marks (not enough ammo) and managed .75 with one bad shot bringing it out to that. Due to having to change position between shots I found I had, as usual, a small vertical influence.
I did rush it and was having a play but I would be seriously happy if I could manage .75 over 10 rounds. I will give it another go with once I settle on a load and hopefully with a member as a witness.
I wanted to try the challenge with my 6BR but the weather was crap and I did not have enough time before I pulled it apart and flogged it off.
I managed to get a new saddle mount and 30mm rings for $390.00 Australian. The barrel is a Tiffen (trueflight) special. Yesterday I had to endure a period of ridicule about my liniage and other frailties and he still managed to squander more money out of me. :cave:
No I did not know about the other barrels James.
I will post ya a pic when I get tui mans can fitted in the next day or so.
That would be hard to beat Mike. Well done.
From left field, best backing material or perhaps none to get nice round un ripped holes as above ?
For Sale Signs :pacman:
Took a member out from the FNH forum who wanted to check out his rifle before heading out for the roar. Couldn't help but shoot a couple more groups :)
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