Flippant comment. I am curious as to why the groups are not centred, where's the aiming point?
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Flippant comment. I am curious as to why the groups are not centred, where's the aiming point?
VC : the low right ones (B &D) are due to the monkey behind the rifle. E not 100% sure, probably wind - did not correct for wind age during the strings, mainly interested in elevation.
MSL : aim point was the central dot, groups not centered as this was for load dev, not zeroing. I'll zero the rifle once I've settled on a particular load.
Makes sense
@ebf are there 5 shots in that group on C?
wsm junkie : Yes, 5 into each letter
andy : correct, FTR rig
No reason at all why you cant head shoot sandflies with that set up,very nice.
Back in the late 80s early 90s I had an issue PH with a ZF84 Khales fixed 6x (post and hair reticle) a TX 1200 barrel that had a bit of use. (It failed the erosion gauge test) Armourers wanted to rebarrel it but it was always on exercise or away from camp when they came looking for it.
Anyway, that old thing would shoot groups like A all day long and the majority were like C with issue F4 ball ammo.
Don't know what happened to it once the AW come in.
How much more mucking around to get it where you want it ebf?
What type and weight projectile?
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guessing 155gr?
Good shooting
Pretty much happy to call it quits with that sheet Dave. Just shoot over multiple days in different temp ranges to confirm consistency.
PM'ed you the projectile details.
You should have buried the PH & TX 1200 :D still see one of those come up on TM every now and then.
@ebf what is the variable you are testing in those group? powder charge or seating depth?? Or is it more conformation of your end load?
Wsm junkie : powder charge, looking for low elevation and low sd, see http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.nz/f10/refining-loads-through-velocity-plateaux-36585/]this thread for process
Malcolm had one that would happily make head shots all day at 600... he shot a 5 shot 2.5" group with it at 600 not long before he got out. Some of those rifles were awesome and he was doing a lot of shooting at the time.
I have some plans to run a old style sniper match at some stage (500 and 600 yards) - Hawkins position, fire on command, sand bag barricades, loop holes, camouflage nets... :) Would be great to have a few entry classes (service pre-1990, service post-1990, and open class) but I am pretty sure most people will want to just shoot in open class.
I am sure Malcolm does as well but I remember the badge shoot to the detail.
I shot a 245 in practice with that PH rifle missed one walking @500. My partner did as well and straight after me. He did it with hot barrel.
Best score with the AW was only 235.
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did some load development last weekend so i could mover to 2208. Zeroed on on the top dot then put 4 round into the bottom dot, but pulled the 5th with a bad recoil, then put the 6th into the same hole. 155 DyersAttachment 74662
Gave the THLR accuracy challange another go today and was pleasently surprised how well I went. Gave the 1/2 moa a crack. What do you think @Norway?
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Spot on, very very steady! :cool:
Assuming a very accurate rifle/ammunition, the shift towards the right COULD be increasing tension in your thumb palm.
No way for me to know, and your accuracy is at a very high level which makes it difficult to say anything from an external point of view.
Thank you for that! The shift towards the right does show itself out futher more so with this rifle scope combination? Photo is from the same day first 3 shots from the rifle at 360m
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Gave the THLR Proficiency test a go today. Had 23sec spare and the shot felt good but the proof is in the pudding so to speak...
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As @Norway pointed out from the other day "the shift towards the right COULD be increasing tension in your thumb palm" and it appears very apparent from this today I believe. I did this at the end of my shooting, next time I'll use the same piece of paper and shoot it at the start and see how I go.
Hey @Dreamer where did you find that target?
cheers, Dave
284win last weekend. 308 with the tape on it.
I don't consider myself a good enough shot to continue with load development beyond this point. (Both moderate start loads)
0.7MOA group at 600 yards. Load development so only 5 shots, and it was done with a Rem 700Attachment 88717
Look in the green box...
Are those squares 7x7”?
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The squares represent 1moa
Shit that's a big target, certainly makes groups look impreaively good! I was assuming the "bullet holes" were proportional to an actual bullet.
Good group anyway
It is an electronic representation of a standard mind range fullbore target.
the X (inner ring) is around 0.5 MOA
the 6/V (second ring) is 1.0 MOA
Try put 10 consecutive shots in the middle while dealing with wind and you may change yout mind about it being a big target :P
This is a big target. These squares are 10 inches square, so still 1 MOA. The arrow isnt my shot, the target detected a hit from an F open shooter next to me, but you can work out the group size from the pic which shows you can keep your good accuracy at long distances.
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Didn’t have any paper ones at 100 on my phoneAttachment 88776. So hope these will do. 750m 300win mag. The smaller group is 2.5” the other is about 4”. The target in the tree was checking zero on a .270 at 425m only 2 shots though.
Just checked my pen. More like 5.5”-6” for the bigger group.
Download Shooter Error target here https://hf-files-oregon.s3.amazonaws...error%20v3.pdf
Here's some input on shooting the hunting rifles.
https://youtu.be/iLeJ8rRUSXc
It seems to be a neverending roundabout dance removing Shooter Error, new ones pop up all the time when shooting under pressure (time limit - or limited exposure as in hunting) but at least at this stage I am sufficiently aware so it is fast to peel it off again.
https://youtu.be/8aJByIP4CRE
23 seconds to spare is right about where you should be as it gives you time to take fix any minor hiccups that occur.
Let's count a 40 second time budget backwards:
4 seconds: Effect of shot observed, reloaded and ready (36 sec left)
2 seconds: Decision to shoot, execute trigger pull (34 sec left)
4 seconds: Final aim (30 sec left)
6 seconds: Get windcall on scope (24 seconds left)
10 seconds: Observation of wind, ballistic calculation (14 seconds left)
12 seconds: Settle into position, setup rifle (2 seconds left)
2 seconds: React to "start", move to firing position (0 seconds)
The above is the induvidual workstreams/ tasks. As you see it is an awareness of environment and cutting down on wind observation and getting that on the scope that is the major timesaver (Insert advertisement for THLR Hybrid reticle holds :P ).
There's only so much that can be saved setting the rifle up not including getting range, the trigger work pehaps a second and hardly anything on observation/ reloading.