Yeah but it's not accurate ?
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Yeah but it's not accurate ?
yeah a bit off centre Mac
Also, sorry, but the whole thread is about looking at single groups being missing the point
Been shooting stuff since the mid 70's, seem to have been a victim more times than I can count. I used to shoot litre coke bottles offhand at 200 m for practice, averaged one round for one bottle for years, easy as for you experts I guess, but I was doin that with a .300 Weatherby not a 6.5 with .243 recoil.
It is just possible that there are others that don't shoot competitions, or have several thousand posts in an internet forum, that can shoot to an acceptable standard.
The thread, several years ago, was literally about people making claims like:
and yet somehow you never see these rifles or shooters at the range or see any proof beyond the cherry-picked single best groups devoid of context which people keep posting in this very thread declaiming the practice, for some reason
It's certainly possible to have a rifle that shoots submoa or 1/3 moa consistently of course, but people need to be honest with themselves
Two barrel brands i consistently get load developments down to and often under .2 moa groups are Kreigers, and Blasers
I have tried to hate blasers but they are freakin accurate
I have a sako 75 in 223 with a 1 in 8 that shoots .2 with nosler BT projectiles but thats more the exception than the norm as usually Sakos can get down to .3 occasionally with the odd one at .25 moa.
The rest of course is up to the fella behind the trigger
Interesting @7mmsaum . How do you find some of the cheaper rifles compared to those figures?
Happy with my R8. It's taken a while to get a good load. 168gr Amax .
This is from a fine day on Monday. The best so far . 200 yards one 3 shot group one 4 and 1 shot from a lighter loads. Oops. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06...837cea592d.jpg
My Rem 700 based tactical in 300 win mag wasn't bad either with 208 gr reloads. Again at 200 yards.
Measured in mm. But frustratingly doesn't do this every day.
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I checked a couple of loads at Kaitoke yesterday afternoon in perfect conditions; no wind and overcast. The long range hunting project is shooting well and as usual there is no way I can keep up. Shot prone off the grass with a bipod. One small change of position or slightly less preload and the shots pull out of the group.....damn. Three fouling shots then 10 shots into each.
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Those are damn good groups for 10shots!
Thanks 233nut. 193metres (211 yards), the squares are half MOA. This one here but wears an NXS 5.5-22 now.
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It didn't help recording velocities on paper between shots and then the RO calling time for checking targets halfway during each group:(
Finally I'm starting to shoot as well as my rifle can.
A 60.03 @ 800 yards in March and a 60.05 at 300 yards in June.
Next challenge - do it more often.
Each square on the e-target screen is 1 MOA.
The 6 ring is about 1 MOA in diameter, the X ring about 1/2 MOA.
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I was going to go out skiing today but the weather was crap so I'd though I'd this a crack instead.
This is my standard Rem700 Tac in 233 wearing a HD5 5-25 firing factory OSA (Buffalo River) 55gr Blitzking ammo. All fire withen about a half hour so the barrel was pretty hot towards the end.
5x 5 shot group @ 104m. I thought I'd f#@&%d it up with the centre group which was the last one but it snuck in by less than a mm. Not to bad for factory ammo and a factory rifle!!Attachment 72452Attachment 72453Attachment 72454
Gave the THLR test a go the other week. Pleasantly surprised how I went...
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With the weather a bit on the rubbish side, I decided to pop out between showers to the 25m range in the back paddock with the CZ455. It's been ages since I put holes in paper with it (normally rabbits and hares).
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Don't think I need to look for different brand of ammo any time soon. 0.6 MOA with hunting ammo.
Weather is mint this morning so I got the HMR out to shoot some groups. I thought it would go close as it had grouped very well in the past but I'd never put 5x groups down back to back.
Factory rifle and factory CCI 17gr TNT ammo @ 104m.
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Not bad for a rimfire aye!
Yea it's a great wee calibre, I think there would be quite a few factory rifles out there that would be able to do this but as you can see on the target it is effected by wind a lot more than heavier rounds. Only downside to mine is it doesn't like the VMAX as much as it likes the TNT's.
It's just got a vortex diamondback 4-12 bdc on it so nothing flash however it does seem to dial alright although I've never dialed up more than 5.5 MOA with it.
I suck
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Yeah but at least your shooting isn't to bad
Good day aye Gibo Ha Ha
Prick of a day, i really do need to stay away from any sort of attempted accuracy shooting with a hang over, idiot
What shall i call this kind of shooting? does "break the line" count as a hit or miss???
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NOTE!!! The first shot at the 1/2 MOA icon i was aiming at the 3/4 MOA, so nothing more fair than keep shooting the 1/2…
Had a go at this with my .223 today. Called every shot as good but my cross hair covered the the 1/2 MOA marks even on 15x
My bad eyes probably don't help.
I shot it on 10x. Would have been a nice group and would appear my zero was out a fraction but I checked velocity on a 6 rnd group a bit before and all 6 went bang on but around the same height off center.
Dumb game this one[emoji28]
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[QUOTE=R93;621690]Had a go at this with my .223 today. Called every shot as good but my cross hair covered the the 1/2 MOA marks even on 15x
My bad eyes probably don't help.
I shot it on 10x. Would have been a nice group and would appear my zero was out a fraction but I checked velocity on a 6 rnd group a bit before and all 6 went bang on but around the same height off center.
Dumb game this one[emoji28]
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@R93, it is a "dumb" game but it is fun! It is how we "catch ourselves" doing thing for a "good cause"… I am 100% sure i had 2 big flukes on my shooting… Sometimes "just" a bit of "canting" can change "that" much the POI…
Keep the good work!
Mac
I was pretty keen to give the dumb game a go today until a certain ^^^ smart ass made me look silly , its so much easier shooting deer you no the shot could be a few inches off but hey dead deer , on paper it looks so much worse :sick: as if that wasn't bad enough the said smart ass had to start shooting things 728M away :P
[QUOTE=PERRISCICABA;621701]Good thinking. Most likely a canting issue. I was playing around with some .38 sp loads in my. 357 while the barrel cooled on the .223 after the first group I fired while velocity testing.
I think I remember lining up with the straight lines on the target which were not level without a second thought. Rookie error.
I was also shooting off a bench which I rarely do so I was thinking I may have changed my position slightly after the first shot.
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Excuses excuses
Offset aside, very nice grouping if you put the shots all together.
Unlikely to to be canting though isn't it at 100yds when the bullet fall is only 70-80mm. 10-15mm to the left would require the rifle to be rotated by 10 degrees. There must be some other reason for a change in zero, and as you say shooting position is always enough when you're operating down at sub-MOA.
Not sure myself to be fair. I agree and on reflection it would have to be a major cant.
Just one of those things. All shots felt ok. I called them all as good. Wind was very slight and coming down range into my face and pretty consistent.
I realigned for each mark. Maybe I didn't do that well enough. I will try shooting it again but not from a bench.
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Enjoying the new 10 twist Lilja 3-groover. It looks like a keeper :thumbsup:
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