Thread: Howa Trigger

Hi all i have a very nice Howa mini .223 that i brought off Dreamer a while back, its a great little rifle except for the 2 stage trigger.
So i took it apart to have a look and try and come up with an idea to remove the first stage.
I noticed a roll pin just behind the trigger so my plan was to put a spacer between the pin and the back of the trigger, i first thought was to remove the roll pin and drill it out and replace it with a bigger dia one then i thought just put the bigger one over top like a sleeve.
I didn't have a roll pin but i did have a very small air tube at work, so i tapped out the pin and slipped a small piece of tube in and tapped the pin back in.
The yucky first stage creep was gone.
So I adjusted the trigger as lite as i could and reassembled the rifle.
Trigger is now nice and lite and no first stage.
I will remove the tube and fit the roll pin sleeve at so stage, just cause it will look a bit better.

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In theory could you cut a slit in the air tube ? And just slip it over the pin instead of removing the pin.
Also what is the tube called ? What size it and where would one go about aquiring some ?

Originally Posted by dannyb

In theory could you cut a slit in the air tube ? And just slip it over the pin instead of removing the pin.
Also what is the tube called ? What size it and where would one go about aquiring some ?

I did try the split in the tube but after trying to get it around that bloody pin and loosing it about 4 times i found it easier to remove the pin which took all of 5 min job done.
The tube is a small air line off a machine at work i just cut a bit off. ( Don't tell the boss) i can measure it tomorrow but i would say 3-4 mm.

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Would’ve been a lot easier just to lighten the springs surely? Not come across a HACT trigger with creep before, but they can be a bit heavy. I’ve just reduced the second stage spring pressure with either an aftermarket spring or the bogan version, trimming it. Did one just the other day - caution shooter’s cliche alert - breaks like glass now.

Originally Posted by Flyblown

Would’ve been a lot easier just to lighten the springs surely? Not come across a HACT trigger with creep before, but they can be a bit heavy. I’ve just reduced the second stage spring pressure with either an aftermarket spring or the bogan version, trimming it. Did one just the other day - caution shooter’s cliche alert - breaks like glass now.

yup I've done the second stage mod and get a nice repeatable crisp 2lbs but i don't like the first stage at all it's not overly heavy or anything I just prefer a single stage trigger

Originally Posted by 25/08IMP

( Don't tell the boss) i can measure it tomorrow but i would say 3-4 mm.

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O.D ? if I'm gonna do it I might as well do it with a roll pin sleeve and do it once

Originally Posted by Flyblown

Would’ve been a lot easier just to lighten the springs surely? Not come across a HACT trigger with creep before, but they can be a bit heavy. I’ve just reduced the second stage spring pressure with either an aftermarket spring or the bogan version, trimming it. Did one just the other day - caution shooter’s cliche alert - breaks like glass now.

It's not to make it lighter it's just to get rid of the shitty 1st stage of slack

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Cool. The first stage slack and creep are obviously two different things so we might be misunderstanding each other.

Originally Posted by Flyblown

Cool. The first stage slack and creep are obviously two different things so we might be misunderstanding each other.

Yip they are my second stage is fine for creep and weight of pull just the first stage slack.

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funny thing,I can notice the two stage if REALLY concentrate...but in all honesty I find the trigger awesome... trigger isnt creepy at all...and anyone who thinks a howa trigger is crap..needs to use a SMLE for a bit..then go back and appreciate how good the howa one actually is. if bolt is uncocked or safety is on...trigger feels gritty..but come business time,the trigger is fine.

Originally Posted by 25/08IMP

It's not to make it lighter it's just to get rid of the shitty 1st stage of slack

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Awesome i bloody hate that initial movement


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so just checking now that the rifle is back together, is it drop safe and all that

Originally Posted by Bill999

so just checking now that the rifle is back together, is it drop safe and all that

I only quickly put it together last night just to check trigger weight but hopefully tonight ill have time to check all those things.
I'll let you know but it should as it hasn't moved the sear ingaugement.

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I just gave the Howa a good old bump test well more of a thump on the ground and a heap of slam the bolt shut worked the safety and no issues i didn't weigh the trigger but now it has no 1st stage and a nice crisp light let off, happy as.

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I much prefer 2 stage triggers, like mickey says they concentrate you. I have a mini in 7,62 x39, the triggers fully ajustable and it breaks at 3 lb. Guess it's what your used to though.