Thread: 1 Licensed Hunter, Two Rifles?

no the rule is yes a licensed person can supervise no worries but that person must be in control meaning close enough to stop a mistake by the unlicensed
they cant have a firearm of there own while they are looking after someone else because they are not focused on supervision

one firearm between the two of you

Originally Posted by kiwijames

I'd not like to test your interpretation of the law. I believe you are incorrect in your conclusion especially if both the unlicenced people had a firearm.

Correct. If you were also hunting with a rifle you could not say that the other hunter was under your immediate supervision ( unless perhaps if the rifle was stored in a gun bag)

It’s no different from shooting on a range and allowing another shooter to shoot beside you. They would not be able to be under your immediate supervision.

So how do these Have A shot type business operate definitely not one licence holder per shooter?

Does it not say " the supervisor must not be using a firearm at the same time " ? That would indicate that one fire arm between a FAL and an UNFAL per.

My understanding is immediate supervision means you can reach out and take hold of the firearm. If there are two unlicensed shooters at the same time, this would mean one of them is unsupervised. As always, I would recommend erring on the side of caution.

Originally Posted by Bol Tackshin

My understanding is immediate supervision means you can reach out and take hold of the firearm. If there are two unlicensed shooters at the same time, this would mean one of them is unsupervised. As always, I would recommend erring on the side of caution.

what he said
done a shitload of supervising as our 22 club invites new shooters to come and have a go
there was a lot of research done

its direct supervision meaning you have to be standing there ready to grab the rifle if needed not just simply present i.e. not paying attention because you are shooting yourself or focusing on hunting and your own firearm

edit:just went back and read the op
hes talking about 2 unlicensed shooters being supervised by one license holder which us the same answer imo there's no way you could possibly be paying attention to 2 at once well not enough anyway remember if there was an accident the firearm's license holder will be charged as though he/she was the one that pulled the trigger the fal holder is 100% responsible for that firearm that he/she is supervising the use off its a big responsibly not to be taken lightly

How does this work on a Pistol Range?

Does one endorsed shooter maintain the unendorsed weapon user within a legally unspecified distance of supervison at all times?

Does this distance also correspond with unendorsed firearms use?

I am a Range Officer Assessor and Range Certifier.

Remember that on a range things are more formal than three people wandering thru the scrub with rifles:
Shooters remain static on the firing line (in general)
Firearms are only loaded under command from the RO
Loaded Firearms are always pointed down range
Firearms are made safe under command from RO

This allows the direct supervision to be slightly less rigorous.

Originally Posted by mopheadrob

I don’t know for sure about the legal interpretation of this, but my understanding is that “supervising” and “using” are technically the same thing.

The point of the rule is that the LFAO can’t adequately supervise one rifle while using another. I would extend this to supervising two rifles at the same time.

I’d also question why you need to. Given both rifles need to be within arms’ reach of the LFAO, it’s only practical for one person to shoot at a time. It would be too tempting to split up once in the field to increase the group’s chances.

I thought this too but then 90% of junior clay target shooting would be breaking the rules. I've always done one rifle only even sometimes just do one rifle for 2 LFO's anyway. Safer with one rifle anyway.

Originally Posted by Basenjiboy

I am a Range Officer Assessor and Range Certifier.

Remember that on a range things are more formal than three people wandering thru the scrub with rifles:
Shooters remain static on the firing line (in general)
Firearms are only loaded under command from the RO
Loaded Firearms are always pointed down range
Firearms are made safe under command from RO

This allows the direct supervision to be slightly less rigorous.

so VERY similar to a well set up maimai.
or paddock hunting IN A GROUP.
and there may not be a RO....but if you dont want to play by my rules,you get told to piss off and not come again LOL

Do one riffle, as said by someone else it will fall back on the person with the FAL if it goes wrong so put yourself in his shoes would you want to lose your FAL just to please a couple of mates.

Good fun going for a walk whoever shoots the deer etc.

Good luck and be safe

The interpretation of the rules seems to vary from region to region and person to person. I asked local AO and was told very definetly only one firearm per licence holder and the unlicensed shooter needs to be within arms reach of the licensed shooter at all times when in possession of the firearm in a hunting or pest control situation.

This means it is possible your local AO may give you some advice that will be different from a potential prosecution if something goes wrong, so get the advice in writing then you're good to go.

which begs the question....if Ben is hooning aroundhis farm in the side by side and has 10/22 for rabbits n hares and the .223 for goats and maybe the .308 in rack as well just incase them pesky deer pop up...and he has someone with him to open gates...is he breaking the law???? 3 firearms and only one FAL.....

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

which begs the question....if Ben is hooning aroundhis farm in the side by side and has 10/22 for rabbits n hares and the .223 for goats and maybe the .308 in rack as well just incase them pesky deer pop up...and he has someone with him to open gates...is he breaking the law???? 3 firearms and only one FAL.....

Definitely would of said no to that not braking the law.

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

which begs the question....if Ben is hooning aroundhis farm in the side by side and has 10/22 for rabbits n hares and the .223 for goats and maybe the .308 in rack as well just incase them pesky deer pop up...and he has someone with him to open gates...is he breaking the law???? 3 firearms and only one FAL.....

My understanding is that is fine if the passenger is just opening gates, but as soon as he/she picks up the rifle while I'm aiming another one it is not ok. But as I said, the law seems to be interpreted very differently by different people.