Thread: Carrying firearm on doc track

Originally Posted by Growlybear

Yep. When I got my first .22 in 1971, bussed to town (CHCH) walked to cop shop for permit, ten to Tisdale's. Purchased rifle, walked back to cops , and registered it. Then off to nearest bus stop, and back home. All with a naked firearm.

Done much the same in the 70’s - no AOS, no drama of any sort.

But society has changed and in my opinion not necessarily for the better.

ouch!!!!

Way back then I visited friends of my uncle's of a farm round the west side of Lake Taupo. After an uneventful hunt for deer and pigs it was time to head home to Wellington. My hosts too me as far as the end of their rural road, dropping me on the west side State Highway. I was carrying my Mountain Mule pack and 30-06 in a canvas carry bag. It wasn't long before I got a ride to Turangi. Then I started walking south on SHW1. I walk quite a long way and remember stopping on the bridges and canal to watch the Trout below. I walked right past Rangipo - Tongariro Prison. Some of the inmates were out in the gardens working and stopped to watch h me walk by with rifle and pack. None of the management came out to speak with me. Eventually, miles down the road, I got picked up by some good old boys who were heading for Porirua. I climbed into the flat deck tray, put my swanie and balaclava on climbed into my sleep ing bag, pulled the tawny cover up and went to sleep. At Porirua they dropped me at the railway station and I caught the train into Wellington, then brought a ticket for the Johnsonville line. A Police Officer had a brief chat with me about hunting, but aside from that, no-one batted an eyelid. Classic trip.

DON'T TRY THIS TODAY!

Early 90s and i was 18 and studying in Hamilton. Used to hop on bus during duckshooting season with a shotgun, get dropped off at the city centre station, and walk over to Maeroa with it over my shoulder in a gunbag. No one, nit even police cars driving past batted an eye or thought to ask me what i was up too.

Just spent the last two days carrying my rifle and using a particularly busy DOC, nobody was concerned at the sight and most asked politely if I had been lucky which I wasn't.

Week day and 10 cars in the carpark Monday, 12 today. Quite a few were tourists up for climbing our local walking peak. I went further afield and the legs are quite sore now.

I checked on my new DoC permit:

5. No firearm shall be discharged:
• In the vicinity of huts, tracks, campsites, road-ends or other public places.
• Within 500m of a Great Walk Hut or track. More about New Zealand's Great Walks.
• In a manner that endangers, frightens or annoys members of the public, or that endangers any
property.

My opinion is that the third one about "endangers, frightens or annoys" is the key one because if there is no complaint there is no problem.
The 500m only applies to Great Walks which are limited.
The "in the vicinity of ..." is intentionally vague as vicinity just depends on the circumstances ...

The circumstances are discussed in all the worthy posts above. It's not a legal question.

Originally Posted by Bagheera

I checked on my new DoC permit:

5. No firearm shall be discharged:
• In the vicinity of huts, tracks, campsites, road-ends or other public places.
• Within 500m of a Great Walk Hut or track. More about New Zealand's Great Walks.
• In a manner that endangers, frightens or annoys members of the public, or that endangers any
property.

My opinion is that the third one about "endangers, frightens or annoys" is the key one because if there is no complaint there is no problem.
The 500m only applies to Great Walks which are limited.
The "in the vicinity of ..." is intentionally vague as vicinity just depends on the circumstances ...

The circumstances are discussed in all the worthy posts above. It's not a legal question.

The definiton of a Public Place is found in Section 2 of the Summary Offences Act 1981 and states "public place means a place that, at any material time, is open to or is being used by the public, whether free or on payment of a charge, and whether any owner or occupier of the place is lawfully entitled to exclude or eject any person from that place" so basically everywhere in the DoC Estate is a Public Place.

In a manner that endangers, frightens or annoys members of the public, or that endangers any property is a direct cut and paste from the Arms Act.

If these are the rules in which you are to be judged if you have broken the conditions of your permit - Piublic Place in section 5 needs to be removed/ammended unless specific exemptions are listed elsewhere in the permit - and to my knowledge they don't.

Originally Posted by Bagheera

I checked on my new DoC permit:

5. No firearm shall be discharged:
• In the vicinity of huts, tracks, campsites, road-ends or other public places.
• Within 500m of a Great Walk Hut or track. More about New Zealand's Great Walks.
• In a manner that endangers, frightens or annoys members of the public, or that endangers any
property.

My opinion is that the third one about "endangers, frightens or annoys" is the key one because if there is no complaint there is no problem.
The 500m only applies to Great Walks which are limited.
The "in the vicinity of ..." is intentionally vague as vicinity just depends on the circumstances ...

The circumstances are discussed in all the worthy posts above. It's not a legal question.

Umm... isn't that all PCL?

Originally Posted by Maxx

Umm... isn't that all PCL?

technically its anywhere NOT BEHIND A LOCKED GATE in so far as a workplace is concerned....if your workplace yard is open,its considered public space so licences needed to operate forklift etc..behind closed gate..not so much.

In short if youre on doc estate toting a rifle dont give fuckwits any ammo to whine
!coomonsense although a rare commodity in this day and age and in tertiary institutes (with hirsuite wooman lecturers of you know what persuasion)dictates what ya do.
defy it and bud youre on your own!