Thread: Downwards or Safest Direction

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

And why do think I don't know that and don't know their rules?

Because you're not a MSC instructor, are you?

Originally Posted by Jexla

Because you're not a MSC instructor, are you?

What makes you think that presumptuous one?

Pretty much all apartments would have floors and ceilings of at least 200mm concrete

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Pretty much all apartments would have floors and ceilings of at least 200mm concrete

A lot now are actually using engineered timber for floors, I was just shooting the hmr17 @ 50m and it was blowing straight through 50mm thick timber. So maybe no where would be a safe direction if you where living in a multilevel apartment.
Look out, they will ban all guns in apartments soon.

Originally Posted by screamO

A lot now are actually using engineered timber for floors, I was just shooting the hmr17 @ 50m and it was blowing straight through 50mm thick timber. So maybe no where would be a safe direction if you where living in a multilevel apartment.
Look out, they will ban all guns in apartments soon.

I have guns in mine, you will never ever see a rifle at the same time you see bolts and ammunution at my place, theyre both locked up or its one or the other. I simply will not risk it in the middle of the CBD not that you should anywhere I suppose but I am extra vigilant about this in town.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Pretty much all apartments would have floors and ceilings of at least 200mm concrete

Not these days with steel deck systems, place Im working at now would go as low as 70mm in some spots, thankfully the floor above hadnt been tiled yet.

I think last place I did deckwork on our conduits couldnt go above 60mm and that was with just precast concrete and timber pailings between them.

I wouldnt feel safe if some turkey was above me shooting into the concrete.

I stand corrected.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

I stand corrected.

No you are correct and some are indeed 150 to 200mm thick, just more of an FYI with modern building techniques.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

I stand corrected.

See you learn something new every day

When i took mine, Safest direction was correct answer.

Last night one of the guys in my team sat his licence test at the Manukau Police Station. The trainer Dave (Mountain Safety Instructor) said that pointing the rifle in the safest direction is the answer required for the exam but he said his preference as an instructor is to point your firearm upwards as this is the safest direction and was teaching this to all the people at the course. He said that at least if the gun was to fire the bullet would go up and then fall and a non lethal rate. This might be the case if it is fired straight up but not if the gun is up but at an angle. :S

Originally Posted by rs200nz

Last night one of the guys in my team sat his licence test at the Manukau Police Station. The trainer Dave (Mountain Safety Instructor) said that pointing the rifle in the safest direction is the answer required for the exam but he said his preference as an instructor is to point your firearm upwards as this is the safest direction and was teaching this to all the people at the course....

Therefore, according to this instructor, even if you're on the ground floor of a multi floor building, pointing your firearm upwards is the safest direction???

Originally Posted by Tahr

I've just done my renewal. The "safest direction" was the only possible sensible answer when I trawled through the little book that is supplied with the application materials. It quotes the exact words, so that to me is obviously the answer that is being sought.

Exactly, it's pretty obvious as you say.

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

Therefore, according to this instructor, even if you're on the ground floor of a multi floor building, pointing your firearm upwards is the safest direction???

If you're on the ground floor of a multi-floor building with a loaded firearm, you point it in the safest direction there is. The preference for safety is up, yes, for the situation at hand. But you can't stop stupid people doing stupid things.

Originally Posted by Kscott

But you can't stop stupid people doing stupid things.

Too true.

Why would a loaded firearm be in any apartment?

At the range, we instruct people to carry a firearm from the rack to the mound, by the barrel.
In the field I keep it on the shoulder, magsafe. When needed its quickly grabbed by the barrel, and round to the shoulder, in an easy move.