Which is unreasonable given the accuracy of car speedometers
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It's called Rule creep.... or frog in a pot syndrome. Throw a frog into a pot of warm water and it jumps out.... throw it into cold water and slowly heat it up, the frog falls asleep and dies.....
Our rules and taxes have been slowly changing for the past 40 years.
Remember when you could park your car up for a few years. Pull it out get a wof re rego it and away you'd go. Not any more...now you have to put it on hold and if you don't remember that the debt collector arrives with a big bill....
Speed cameras give you a fine but they don't stop you for 15 minutes and write you a ticket and check out the vehicle?
Call me old fashioned but police out there patrolling the streets and highways is better than a $250k camera snitching on ya and stuffing the Gov't bank account...
The law is the law and no one should be above it.. You do realize that if Chch mass murderer hadn't been able to get license to get weapons ! There's a fair chance that the buyback would not have happened... any way not going to change it now..... The anti gun movement has made the most of the event to push their agendas and ideals.... nothing new really.
Bought a box of ammo today, the new purchasing rules are inact. I had to provide my license and cell no#, while cockey behind the counter spent 5 mins punching in info. no qualms but interesting nonetheless.
Hey guys . Been bloody years since ive commented on this forum . However , regarding the licensing. A good mate of mine recently got put through the ringer by the cops for a accusation that thank god got proved false . He lost his licence when he got charged but now that hes been cleared of any wrong doing cant get any answers as to wether he can have his licence back or re apply .
Has anyone else been through this ? Feel free to pm me . Cheers !
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your local copper who does licences is a good fella...... stay calm,stay cool and be polite.....hopefully all will be seen in better light and will blow over and all can go back to normal.....no point in getting het up about things,it makes you look un fit..... thats my advice.
my UNDERSTANDING of things...if its been revoked...very very hard to get back
if its been handed back or suspended.....not so much.
good luck,keep us posted please.
interviewed for renewal a month ago at home with all checks completed. Just phoned to check on progress - the arms clerk informs me I haven't been interviewed yet but they have just sent my file to the vetter to arrange an interview....
6 1/2 months from application now
Sons application went through finally. 6mths later.
Booked him in to the course as soon as he got his email. He sat his test today. Past easily.
The long wait for vetting now.....hopefully its not too drawn out as it was only sept last year when he was vetted for my renewal
why cant they just do it the old way?? this shit didn't happen back then and it didn't take long to process....until they decided to streamline the process just another good idea from this mob why the fuk would you streamline the process of issuing someone with the means to legally use a firearm....
Licence arrived today. So 10 months for me as a first timer.
Damn. Good luck - as frustrated as I was, it's sad to know there are others who have been waiting longer.
6.5 months ago I applied for renewal.
at 5 months I filed a complaint with IPCA
within 2 weeks my interviews were all done and I received a phone call and apology from police.
in the last week I follwed up - still not finalized by a senior Sargent.
IPCA responded this week that they were satisfied as I had received an apology and police had promised to prioritize my licence.
I replied to the IPCA yesterday that if it had been prioritized could I please get a time line as it still had not been issued and was in fact not even finalized yet after 6.5months.
This morning I received a phone call to confirm my licence is now current as of 8am this morning, the card will be with me within 2 weeks and they have emailed me confirmation that my licence is current and I can resume legal firearm ownership and usage.
It looks like the IPCA is the best course of action to get it sorted....
Bro in law finally got his license 6 weeks ago.
Started early last year.
After hassling them various times finally got it.
Got hold of the FAO and told yup it's all done.
Rang 18th may, license issued 14th may.
13 or 14 months since test.
Only got a 5 year license
First time license holder
My daughter was interviewed and told it was all good... expect the license to arrive in 6 weeks. That was 10 weeks ago. I'm starting to lose my sense of humour.
Thing is, these new 5 year licenses are going to cause a significant hiccup at the next round of renewals. The police are clearly struggling to get through a ridiculous backlog of both new issues and renewals and it doesn't sound like its going to get any easier for them inside the next 2 years. So what do you think is going to happen when these half-life licenses start to expire? Suddenly they have just doubled their workload at a time when they're not coping to begin with, only getting half the required numbers out the door. Come 2026 they're going to be four times busier than they are now... not even giving consideration to those of us who start the process 12 months in advance in anticipation of the ridiculous lead times.
Dropping the license to 5 years is typical bureaucratic shortsightedness. They just have no clue and no forethought.
I must have got lucky 6 weeks
I suspect that's Wanganui for you. Not bad. When I was in Wilson's the other day the man at the counter said he hadn't heard of anyone waiting as long as I had (10 months).
I did maybe think given the arms officers are by regions I must have being at a lucky date where they were able to get cracking right away . My little brothers just waited 2 months for his new card to arrive though so my real wait could still be coming fingers crossed anyhow it's being tricky with out it
why couldn't they issue a temporary paper based license like the driving license before the actual card arrive
I got mine last month after 13 months from lodging my application. 4 months wait to do the course, another 8 months wait until I was seen for interview then 1 month wait until the licence arrived in the mail. Im in Christchurch
They can give you your license number before your real plastic card arrives.
I lost my license, applied for a replacement, in the interim the local firearms office wrote my number on a piece of paper stamped it and added their phone number for anyone to confirm my status.
My replacement FAL arrived in a couple of weeks, then I found the original. So now I have two copies.
Check your copies - the newest one should have a new version number which will be the only version that will validate in online checks (if that's a thing yet).
Does anyone know if you can submit your application etc before your 16th Birthday just to avoid even further delays ?
@Pete_D unfortunately you can no longer do this.
When my son went through the process 4 years ago he carried out his Mountain Safety Course a couple of months before his 16th birthday and handed in his FAL application forms the week before his birthday. This resulted in him getting his plastic card within 6 weeks of turning 16. The application process changed about 18 months ago and when my daughter approached her 16th birthday last September we found you now need to be 16 in order to book the Mountain Safety Course. In some locations this might mean you need to wait several months before you can attend the course due to demand. Once the course has been done then you can get the 36-page FAL application form submitted. Don't forget the two 16-page referee forms too. By the finish you will certainly know how to spell your name, know your address, recall your telephone number and Drivers Licence number... nothing like filling those details in multiple times.
Our timeline so far...
Mid September - turned 16, booked MSC
Late November - completed MSC
Late November - submitted FAL application
Late April - interviews, advised license should arrive in 6 weeks
12 weeks later no license, no responses to emails, phone not even picked up at Dunedin Police Station. Just rings.
I think we need to employ the American cost-benefit analysis ideas where government departments need to justify the forms they create and review the time it takes to complete them, then state on the form the expected time necessary to complete it. Adding new multiple-page forms duplicating data is a waste of effort but bureaucrats love it.
Thanks @planenutz that sounds long winded and painfully slow......Happy birthday son and welcome to bureaucratic real world when you turn 16 !!!!
Yep... you got that right!
Its a shame they've fucked up what was a pretty good system. The new forms now ask you to fill in answers to the questions they used to ask you during your interview so the inverview process is slightly shorter and easier. That said, I think the 'old' system was better because it provided the vetting officer an opportunity to talk to the applicant and to get a better understanding of their thoughts, motivations and plans. Now you're putting those down on paper but with time to plan your response.
My work colleagues in Australia keep telling me their FAL process is long and difficult. So much so that it provides disincentive to anyone who thinks they want to go down that road. Their perception is NZ has a much easier system to navigate. I disagree - our process was always more robust and in fact it was always more involved than theirs. They don't have face to face interviews for a start. They do have a "stand down time" but that is far shorter than our current bureaucrat-imposed compulsory stand down time of a year or more due to the inefficiencies and lack of man-power in the relevant departments. To say this is all very disappointing is a bloody understatement.
I wish you and your son luck. Its a process, but one you just need to knuckle down into and see through to the end. Damned if I'm going to let added layers of Labour-government-induced bullshit put me or my family off enjoying my recreational activities just because of a little bit more paperwork.
Weird 2 years ago the MSC course was the last thing I did. Submitted form, did interviews, referees got interviewed, did my course licence duly arrived.
I wasn't able to do the course before any of the other things had happened.
Just a quick question do you have to wait for the license card before bying a firearm?
Got confirmation that license has bee granted but the card will take 6 weeks to arrive.