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I laid a complaint on their online form and that got some action - given that part of the metric that they publicly point to when they tell their lies about how happy we all are with their crap administration of the FAL system is how many complaints they receive, just think of laying a complaint as having an extra voteQuote:
Originally Posted by gsp follower
https://complaints.ipca.govt.nz/195
Filling in the form now as mine expires just before the Roar and want to ensure I get the new one in time... might be wishful thinking...
Doctors part says you must provide the exact GP you see - if you don't provide acceptable details it may not be accepted. I hardly ever see the Dr and if I need to I just see whoever has an appointment open... apparently practice name is not acceptable. Rung the doctors practice - they also said they don't have an email address (guess they just don't give one out).
Hope this doesnt see me kicked back.
@Shadowsol I suspect that Plod wants to be able to force your Doctor into releasing information to him and doesn't have the power to demand it from a Medical Centre / practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowsol
SO, I suggest you provide the name of the last Doctor you saw at the centre/practice . If you can't remember which one it was, visit the practice / centre with evidence of who you are ( The driver's Licence / FAL shoul do that) and ask for them who you saw at the time of your last visit.
Your Patient History record" will show this and you are entitled to have full access to that record....not that you need it for this..
If you submit it before 23rd Dec, you don’t have to list it. Act comes into place on the 24th.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowsol
https://rnzcgp.org.nz/RNZCGP/I_m_a_M...ow_about_.aspx
Quote:
Originally Posted by Survy
Yeah, let's ignore it and claim that Constable Plod doesn't have the "power" to ask for it.
Then, when Plod sit's on it until the 24 th, he will reject it because of missing information..........and the applicant can complete another application and go to the back of the queue.
It's Such Fun.
Just released on the NZ Police website under Publications & Statistics. The guidelines to Health Practitioners for the new Licencing Regime.
https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/def...s-act-1983.pdf
I foresee a major problem arising with the reissue of my firearms license currently under application. Having been fortunate enough to enjoy extremely good health throughout my lifetime, I simply do not have a doctor.
@Rushy Lucky OLD you :>)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
I recommend that you bite the bullet and play Constable Plod's silly little game and make an appointment with a Doctor for a check up. Blood pressure, blood samples for other nasties INCLUDING unless you have that attended to already., prostrate.
Mention to the Doc that Constable Plod will probably be contacting him and then there will be no problems for you. ....unless you have one of the dreaded isssues 1 to 11 outlined in
https://tinyurl.com/y3sd8ge6
Plod will get a clean report and if he doesn't like it, then his issue is with the Doctor, not you. He can't block you.
Interesting and my thanks for the linkQuote:
Originally Posted by BSA
I suspect that the shifting of Constable Plod's Monkey from his shoulder onto our Doctor is going to go down "like a bucket of cold sick."
And rightly so.
Sooo... what ever happened to Doctor / Patient confidentiality?
I anticipate finding out when the Medical Fraternity refuse to do Plod's job for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fawls
It could be argued and I'm sure it will, that they already report on the "health" of their patients in respect of suitability to have a car, truck,passenger service, aircraft, boating etc licence. However, that is a comparison of the patient to meeting a series of clearly established and long accepted standards.
I do not see all of the 11 commandments handed down from The Mount by Plod
https://tinyurl.com/y3sd8ge6
falling within the areas which the Medical Fraternity have been willing to now, to certify, let alone send Plod an email or telephone him.
I also find it disgusting that Plod expects the Medical Fraternity to commit themselves to : do as I say" and then tries to exempt himself from any flow on effect of them doing so by stating.....
"Practitioners are encouraged to consult with otherhealth practitioners involved in the patient’s care andseek medicolegal advice from their insurer or indemnifierif they desire. Any decisions, and the reasons for them,should be carefully documented on the clinical record incase the practitioner(s) are subsequently called upon tojustify their actions."
Finally, I imagine that any information or secret made known to the Doctor by their patient would be non transferable to an outside party because of their Hippocratic oath on confidentiality .
" Medical ConfidentialityConfidentiality is commonly applied to conversations between doctors and patients. Legal protections prevent physicians from revealing certain discussions with patients, even under oath in court. This physician-patient privilege only applies to secrets shared between physician and patient during the course of providing medical care.
The rule dates back to at least the Hippocratic Oath, which reads: Whatever, in connection with my professional service, or not in connection with it, I see or hear, in the life of men, which ought not to be spoken of abroad, I will not divulge, as reckoning that all such should be kept secret.
Traditionally, medical ethics has viewed the duty of confidentiality as a relatively non-negotiable tenet of medical practice.
A link to the "General terms of their Oath. https://tinyurl.com/y2srxm8y
I have no knowledge of how much it may differ here but point out that I suspect that it may apply only to criminal and court appearance situations...........Not that appeals against the non issue of a FAL would or would not be covered and end with what I started by saying.
"I anticipate finding out when the Medical Fraternity refuse to do Plod's job for him."
Actually that screams to me that the police are implying if the doctor says someone is fit for a firearm then they subsequently say kill someone then the police may hold the doctor liable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Sapper
If I were a doctor I would refuse to provide any information, which will likely mean people won't get licenses.
Attachment 155478Quote:
Originally Posted by vulcannz
finalyapproved 10 months and 9 days free at last
OMG I applied in July, attended the safety program in Sept and still waiting until now. Just aware about the new application form do we need to fill in the new application form in order to proceed?
Thank you.
In your instance that should not be necessary. There is a considerable delay caused by the backlog that was caused during the lockdown period when vetting officers could not conduct interviews. Also welcome to the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by hakka_ranger
Put my boys application in.....Lets see how long it takes.
The interviews should be short as we've all been interviewed already, when I did my renewal, and vetted as fit and proper
dont count on it bieng shortQuote:
Originally Posted by cambo
I hope Rushy is right, but I'm not far off where you started and have just been asked this week to fill in the new form. Original application made in August and safety course completed in October.Quote:
Originally Posted by hakka_ranger
Oh I know.....Quote:
Originally Posted by gsp follower
I've probably been flagged as well after my renewal process lol
did they send you email to ask filling in the new form?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rush
YepQuote:
Originally Posted by hakka_ranger
Seems the poor old Po Po are a little bit snowed under.............
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/123...m-applications
it seems they had no issue with issuing a licence in a speedy fashion to "he who shall not be named" but the rest of us don't get the same speedy service.
In fact the only speedy thing we got was BLAMED for their incompetitance
247 Days for a new application and 147 for a renewal?Quote:
Originally Posted by mikee
That's a disgustingly poor level of service.
When did New Zealanders "she'll be right" turn into "whatever"?
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Time to bombard your local MPs to get them to start asking questions.
About time the FA administration is removed from the police!
I put my renewal in BEFORE lockdown 1. Been interviewed, still waiting. If you paid for this service, you would be complaining. Oh wait, we do pay for this.. :pissed off:
got my first license 30 years back, took 2 weeks. but my main reference was relatively senior cop. but this was my "lifetime license"..........yeah right
It was faster still 55 years ago when I presented my 16 year old self, armed with a note from my mum, to the local arms officer. I was asked a couple of questions and walked away with my permit to procure.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonetropo
Grandpamac
Put in a complaintQuote:
Originally Posted by Speill
I did. It's the only thing that gets the lazy bastards moving
Complaint form to fill out.....
https://forms.police.govt.nz/complaint
And probably going through the Govt Ombudsman might assist with what's considered acceptable?
This would not surprise me in the least. Look out, with the fallout from the Royal Commission, Police/Govt will do anything to distract. I hope this is wrong given there was 3 years and an admin change proposed in the Arms Amendments.
https://thebfd.co.nz/2020/12/14/poli...rearms-owners/
Same boat. I had my FAL many years ago and this year decided to renew it so I could join a locate Clay Shooting club, filled out the forms, paid the fee and dropped off at the main Police station in Henderson on 2nd March 2020… then good old COVID-19 hits.
18/5/2020 sent follow up email and was advised I was not a priority and will get to it in due course.
23/7/2020 sent follow up email and was told renewals was now priority but my case was not assigned to vetter yet.
15/9/2020 sent follow up email and was told still waiting on vetter
17/9 phone call from vetter to book in visit, he was interviewing my referee 20/9/2020 and then would visit home to complete other interviews.
His visit to my referee last over and hour. His visit home lasted 4 hours as we have 2 family members over 16 years, so he had to interview 4 people plus the storage viewing.
He did say if I had not heard in 10 weeks to make some enquiries, but I thought he was kidding… he was not!
21/10/2020 & 28/10/2020 sent follow up emails and 29/10/2020 got There is a large backlog of files and they are being processed in chronological order of being received. We will get to your file in due course.
Left it awhile and 26/11/2020 rang and was told still in the pile to be reviewed, then must go to checker and then if approved on to Wellington to be uploaded and card ordered was told not to expect anything this side of Xmas! So given the Xmas break and NZpost don’t expect anything until February almost 12 months.
Submitted my renewal form on the weekend - email acknowledging my applications says to expect it to take four months (mine expires in mid March) - saw the Stuff article that there are currently 10,000 outstanding applications and they are taking well over 6 months to come through... I will be chasing it early as that's the roar out otherwise.
licence ordered on the 4th of december............... waiting wAIITINGQuote:
Originally Posted by gsp follower
Bro in law had interview back in september after doing all the tests back in Feb
Still waiting on the bit of plastic
Chrissakes people, why complain on here?
Nag the cops, they are the crims in this case
If you don't use their official channels to bitch and moan at them, they will turn around like the shiny-arsed weasels they are and say some crap about "successful partnerships with the firearm community" or some such bollocks
Some info for 'B' endorsed license holders going through renewal.
Submitted renewal application in June.
License expired in August
Vetting done in October.
Concerned about govt covid extension to December expiring I went to see the local arms officer 2 weeks ago to find out what was going on.
They confirmed they were very busy and had a stack of applications to go through.
Looked me up up on the computer and then told me that there was no need to panic, as all 'B' endorsed license holders had an automatic extension to December 2021.
First I'd heard of that anywhere. Asked what I was supposed to do if I wanted to buy something in a local gun store face to face, was told to get them to ring them and they would confirm that I still held a valid license.
I cannot fathom why 'B' endorsed holders get an extension and 'A' holders do not. Only assumption I can make with the recent phone calls and 'stock take' is that 'B' endorsements will not be around for much longer, and an extension to Dec 21 is an excuse for them to not have to undertake the vetting etc for renewals.I hope I'm completely wrong on this.
Just received an email letter of approval for my C renewal which I submitted hand in hand with my license renewal around September I think. I just need to sign the letter and return it to have the license sent out... I'm assuming that would be with the new license date and the appropriate C General and P endorsements for those related items...
Wife, as a new license applicant is still waiting on hers though and she submitted hers many weeks before I did...
Get that in writing!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by bluemonsta
I was told 3 times I had an extention.... until they decided I didn't.
Any correspondance with them you need it in writing to cover your ass
