Thread: Firearms ban in Western aussie

Originally Posted by Flyblown

@Tahr, I’m happy to be a forum “fudd”. Just looked it up. Learn something new every day.

It’s really interesting to me how this thread has gone. It’s no surprise though. Question the thinking behind of some of the posters’ comments - e.g. the making stuff up, the “PNHQ want all guns gone” comments, etc - and it doesn’t take long for the snide remarks and general bitter & twisted comments to start rolling in.

This, sadly, is normal.

The snidey remarks are water off a ducks back to me. If that’s all you’ve got to offer, then you’re on a one way ticket to nowhere. What I would prefer to see though is ideas, organisation, planning, actions. What are you actually going to do about it?

The thread hasn't gone anywhere?

It's always the same people with the "I'm okay Jack" opinions that are surprised and indignant when some people don't agree with their rose-tinted view on things, even in the face of evidence to the contrary.

Originally Posted by Ryan

The thread hasn't gone anywhere?

It's always the same people with the "I'm okay Jack" opinions that are surprised and indignant when some people don't agree with their rose-tinted view on things, even in the face of evidence to the contrary.

If anyone thinks "Im ok Jack" I doubt that they would be contributing to this discussion. And I haven't heard or read anyone saying that. Just because you imply it doesn't make it the truth.

Every one has their line in the sand. Mine is in a different place to yours no doubt. I think I'm realistic, you no doubt will have some labels for me. But do I feel threatened by the creep? - hell yes.

Our methodology and approach might be different but we are actually on the same side. No matter how unpalatable that might be for you.

Originally Posted by Tahr

If anyone thinks "Im ok Jack" I doubt that they would be contributing to this discussion. And I haven't heard or read anyone saying that. Just because you imply it doesn't make it the truth.

Every one has their line in the sand. Mine is in a different place to yours no doubt. I think I'm realistic, you no doubt will have some labels for me. But do I feel threatened by the creep? - hell yes.

Our methodology and approach might be different but we are actually on the same side. No matter how unpalatable that might be for you.

I'm not implying anything - I recall your stance on MSSAs very well.

You may feel that you're being realistic and that we're on the same side but it's perhaps because now it is your shooting interests that are under threat. The very thing I have been warning about for the ~decade I've been on this forum.

Originally Posted by Ryan

I'm not implying anything - I recall your stance on MSSAs very well.

You may feel that you're being realistic and that we're on the same side but it's perhaps because now it is your shooting interests that are under threat. The very thing I have been warning about for the ~decade I've been on this forum.

Opposing the MSSA ban cart-blanche was an exercise in futility. The weight of public opinion for it was overwhelming. Personally I supported in my submissions (I made submissions) their restricted use for pest control and gun sports. Never owned one and they had no appeal to me. So what?
But for everyone there is a bridge too far. And when that is reached everyone has their own approach to the problem

Originally Posted by Tahr

Opposing the MSSA ban cart-blanche was an exercise in futility. The weight of public opinion for it was overwhelming.

Ah yes, the old herd / lemming mentality. That's precisely why we're in this position now.

Do you think public opinion is going to suddenly change if there's a heinous crime committed with <insert firearm type here>? Hint: it won't.

Originally Posted by Ryan

Ah yes, the old herd / lemming mentality. That's precisely why we're in this position now.

Do you think public opinion is going to suddenly change if there's a heinous crime committed with <insert firearm type here>? Hint: it won't.

The majority are not lemmings. They actually think they are doing the right thing. As you do.
It could be argued that your minority views reflect those of a lemming. Following the line that will gain you the most approval from your peer group inspite of the futility of it and the many failed strategies.

You are correct, if there is another heinous gun crime committed public opinion will be galvanised as strong as previously or stronger against us. Get ready for it and get ready to lose - because your bloody minded and blinkered opposition wont mean a shit. Regardless of who is in power. With your approach you will be left negotiating for crumbs.

Fortunately in the main the people who will be lobbying on our behalves, even the most conservative of them, will be taking a more reasonable and nuanced approach so not all will be lost.

Originally Posted by Tahr

The majority are not lemmings. They actually think they are doing the right thing. As you do.

Fair enough. What cannot be ignored however, is that they are being steered in that direction by the government and the media.

Originally Posted by Tahr

It could be argued that your minority views reflect those of a lemming. Following the line that will gain you the most approval from your peer group inspite of the futility of it and the many failed strategies.

What dross. I do not subscribe to the group-think model you seem so fond of. Remember, dead fish swim with the stream. I stand against continual erosion of my rights and freedoms. Your little chirp on the Truths thread about me liberally exercising my S14 rights - goddamn right I will exercise them. Just like S10, S11, S18 (but we aren't allowed to talk about those).

Originally Posted by Tahr

You are correct, if there is another heinous gun crime committed public opinion will be galvanised as strong as previously or stronger against us. Get ready for it and get ready to lose - because your bloody minded and blinkered opposition wont mean a shit. Regardless of who is in power. With your approach you will be left negotiating for crumbs.

Historically the only compromise comes from LFOs.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Fortunately in the main the people who will be lobbying on our behalves, even the most conservative of them, will be taking a more reasonable and nuanced approach so not all will be lost.

Oh right, just like the other times, where things continually went backwards instead of maintaining the status quo.