Thread: Firearms Registry Consultation Open

https://www.police.govt.nz/advice-se...try?nondesktop

What's everybody's thoughts?

Dumb idea that you if you buy ammunition you have to enter the info on all your firearms in the registry - it will result in an early flood of info and crash the whole system.

Originally Posted by Cigar

Dumb idea that you if you buy ammunition you have to enter the info on all your firearms in the registry - it will result in an early flood of info and crash the whole system.

I said something similar in my submission. I also objected to having to notify when my GP changed. When the GP leaves? What if I'm not told and don't need the Dr?When i find out they left? Same objection. What if they leave and there are no GPs left in the area? Do i nominally change to one 100kms away who i never see? Will failure to do the box-tick mean i fail a good character test when i renew or get an infringement?
Similar issues with the vague 'contact details' which are separate from address. Does it mean if i change my email or mobile number or drop my landline that i have to update?

What about having to specify the capacity of your safe? Who decides what that is? The manufacturer? Will i then have to buy a new safe if I have 6 guns but a 5 gun safe, even if i can cram in 6? Me? Who checks that i didn't say "10" when i only have a 5 gun safe?

So much detail that doesn't serve a practical purpose or is vaguely defined.

Originally Posted by Cigar

Dumb idea that you if you buy ammunition you have to enter the info on all your firearms in the registry - it will result in an early flood of info and crash the whole system.

Wrong. It is part of a scheme to know every bit about how many guns you have and how much ammunition. Inexorably ... you do not need that amount of ammunition and seek for it to be reduced or forfeited. Mark my words.

Heaven help us - the amount of information required is detailed.

They expect everyone to update the registry themselves online - I can say "fuck that" - it will be quicker to fill in the forms and make the police update the registry - they then have the responsibilty for keying errors - let them waste their time at the kepboard.

Every temporary transfer of 30 days - well - they best hurry up the licence renewal process or licence holders will be needing to notify thousands of transfers as there licence is not renewed on time. Do that via hardcopy.

The whole exercise looks to be an expensive exercise in time wasting.

Oh - that proposal is not easy reading.

Originally Posted by Doghead

Heaven help us - the amount of information required is detailed.

They expect everyone to update the registry themselves online - I can say "fuck that" - it will be quicker to fill in the forms and make the police update the registry - they then have the responsibilty for keying errors - let them waste their time at the kepboard.

Every temporary transfer of 30 days - well - they best hurry up the licence renewal process or licence holders will be needing to notify thousands of transfers as there licence is not renewed on time. Do that via hardcopy.

The whole exercise looks to be an expensive exercise in time wasting.

Oh - that proposal is not easy reading.

I like your thinking, support them, like they’ve supported us!

its going to be a fustercluck, and will never be reliable.
and how is it going to work if you lend a rifle to a fellow FAL for a month, do we have to register it to them etc?
its all a load of political bollocks

Unfortunately you now need a dealers license to lend a fire arm out. its on the police web site and I was also told that by our Hawkesbay arms officer.

Originally Posted by Scott Cowan

Unfortunately you now need a dealers license to lend a fire arm out. its on the police web site and I was also told that by our Hawkesbay arms officer.

Thanks for adding that, I had no idea

Originally Posted by Scott Cowan

Unfortunately you now need a dealers license to lend a fire arm out. its on the police web site and I was also told that by our Hawkesbay arms officer.

Where on the police website?
There is nothing in the laws about this, and something being on the police website doesn't make it law.

Originally Posted by Scott Cowan

Unfortunately you now need a dealers license to lend a fire arm out. its on the police web site and I was also told that by our Hawkesbay arms officer.

I found the bit on the police website - it only applies to those in the business of hiring, lending or otherwise supplying arms items.

From the Police Consultation document

4.2 Information on transactions and events that must be recorded in the registry
Proposals for new regulations under the Arms Act 1983 31 August 2022
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From 24 June 2023, section 95 of the Act provides that details of the following events in relation to
any firearm or other item regulated by or under the Act must be provided to Police by every holder
of a firearms licence or a dealer’s licence for inclusion in the registry:
a. any sale or supply, excluding a temporary transfer
b. any purchase or receipt, excluding a temporary transfer
c. any importation
d. any exportation
e. any manufacture
f. any theft, loss or destruction.
A temporary transfer is a transfer of possession of a firearm (not being a pistol, restricted weapon,
prohibited magazine or prohibited firearm) of less than 30 day

Does this clarify the confusion around lending a rifle?

I've recently lent a rifle to another shooter for his grandchildren to use.
To comply with the temporary transfer rules I will have to see him every 28 days, receive the rifle back and lend it to him again.

Originally Posted by Cyclops

From the Police Consultation document

4.2 Information on transactions and events that must be recorded in the registry
Proposals for new regulations under the Arms Act 1983 31 August 2022
22
From 24 June 2023, section 95 of the Act provides that details of the following events in relation to
any firearm or other item regulated by or under the Act must be provided to Police by every holder
of a firearms licence or a dealer’s licence for inclusion in the registry:
a. any sale or supply, excluding a temporary transfer
b. any purchase or receipt, excluding a temporary transfer
c. any importation
d. any exportation
e. any manufacture
f. any theft, loss or destruction.
A temporary transfer is a transfer of possession of a firearm (not being a pistol, restricted weapon,
prohibited magazine or prohibited firearm) of less than 30 day

Does this clarify the confusion around lending a rifle?

I've recently lent a rifle to another shooter for his grandchildren to use.
To comply with the temporary transfer rules I will have to see him every 28 days, receive the rifle back and lend it to him again.

Personally I would complete any paper official transfer forms every 28 days and have the lendee do the same just to play them at their game.

It is what it is, so I am going to try be as constructive as possible.

The first statement they make - " The inclusion of licence holders’ personal and licence details in the Firearms Registry is a necessary first step before the Registry can begin recording details of the arms items you hold. These need to be recorded against the licence holder along with endorsements held."
This is incorrect. What they need is only your licence number. Your details are all linked in the police system anyway, and adding all your details makes your safety and privacy very vulnerable indeed. Anyone querying the firearms database needs to first access your FAL number via the Police computer system and then use your FAL number to see what firearms are registered. Does that make sense? Think of the missing name,
address and phone number as an additional line of defence.