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    Firearms Security Submission

    Guys, FOUNZ has put together an easy submission system for you to make a submission regarding proposed changes to firearm security. You can make a submission with a couple of mouse clicks, but I would encourage you to personalize your submission, even just a little.

    Founz website

    THE FOUNZ, SUPER SIMPLE, POLICE SECURITY POLICY SUBMISSION! – FIREARM OWNERS UNITED NZ

    Submission Link

    https://tinyurl.com/ya9mcnde

    Follow that for an easy click click submission

    Submission text provided below if you have a problem with the link

    EMAILStuart.Nash@parliament.govt.nz
    cc secure-storage-firearms@police.govt.nz, info@founz.co.nz

    SUBJECT Police Firearm Security Policy Submission

    Dear Stuart,

    I have identified these issues with the police's request for submissions and the actual police policy

    itself.

    1) They have effectively given licence holders 1 week to make a submission.

    2) Police are attempting to reclassify A Cat semi Automatics into their own security requirements.

    3) Police will force you to agree to the requirements of their policy (and possibly all future illegal and

    ultra vires policies) by signing a contract.

    4) Police have mixed policy with law giving the impression to licence holders that this document is the

    law. Policy and legal requirement should be separated clearly and concisely to avoid confusion.

    5) These policies directly affect those who do not own their own home by forcing onerous security

    requirements that may not be possible for those renting a house.

    6) A situation now exists where police believe they have authority to implement their policy as law which

    they do not.

    I fear police will attempt to codify all policies such as the Pol67N and S43A mail order into law without

    following the correct parliamentary process. I object to police making law.

    Police are acting outside of their authority and attempting to circumvent due process.

    Kind Regards

    FOUNZ member.
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    thanks for that
    ALL YOU GUYS AND GIRLS BETTER MAKE A SUBMISSION. or grab your ankles and submit to the will of the big greasy plod standing behind you.

    (no offence intended to the honest front line cops, but only the honest and fair ones. you know who you are)
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    Submission made with the following preface:

    Hi Stuart,

    Below is a generic email, which you have probably received multiple times....and rightly so: another example of Police misbehaviour is occurring...under your watch (now).

    Note - this has not been forwarded to the Police, as they DO NOT MAKE THE LAW as is made clear below... and has already been discussed!!

    Please take this seriously - licensed FAL holders are not the problem, yet Chris Cahill (irrespective of what you may think if him - he is a proven liar), continues to vilify some of the most vetted people in society.

    Please do not let Police "policy" usurp Government's powers - Police are there to enforce the law - not create it...they do not even have the power to create common law (which in itself needs attention given some of the poor sentences handed down to VIOLENT offenders....)

    I don't feel like I speak for myself when I say that licensed FAL owners are sick of being vilified in the media, please correct me if I'm wrong: no other "hobby/sport" group is sibjected to the same persecution (scrutiny would ordinarily suffice - but look at Cahill et-al's comments...)!! Please put your personal feelings aside for the Police Union - they are more myopic than Mr Key was in the Sky City fiasco - Cahill has eroded any good faith the Police Union had in his constant and one-eyed approach....

    Please feel free to contact me if any of this needs further clarification.

    Regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickoli View Post
    Submission made with the following preface:

    Hi Stuart,

    Below is a generic email, which you have probably received multiple times....and rightly so: another example of Police misbehaviour is occurring...under your watch (now).

    Note - this has not been forwarded to the Police, as they DO NOT MAKE THE LAW as is made clear below... and has already been discussed!!

    Please take this seriously - licensed FAL holders are not the problem, yet Chris Cahill (irrespective of what you may think if him - he is a proven liar), continues to vilify some of the most vetted people in society.

    Please do not let Police "policy" usurp Government's powers - Police are there to enforce the law - not create it...they do not even have the power to create common law (which in itself needs attention given some of the poor sentences handed down to VIOLENT offenders....)

    I don't feel like I speak for myself when I say that licensed FAL owners are sick of being vilified in the media, please correct me if I'm wrong: no other "hobby/sport" group is sibjected to the same persecution (scrutiny would ordinarily suffice - but look at Cahill et-al's comments...)!! Please put your personal feelings aside for the Police Union - they are more myopic than Mr Key was in the Sky City fiasco - Cahill has eroded any good faith the Police Union had in his constant and one-eyed approach....

    Please feel free to contact me if any of this needs further clarification.

    Regards,

    TOP FORM OL CHAP. thankyou.
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    If you think there is freedom in NZ then you as much as a fool as those who think NZ is a democratic nation
    NZ was not founded on Democracy and no one will ever be free in NZ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddy79 View Post
    If you think there is freedom in NZ then you as much as a fool as those who think NZ is a democratic nation
    NZ was not founded on Democracy and no one will ever be free in NZ
    @Paddy79

    Where can I go and be free?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordite View Post
    @Paddy79

    Where can I go and be free?
    none of us are free until we die
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddy79 View Post
    If you think there is freedom in NZ then you as much as a fool as those who think NZ is a democratic nation
    NZ was not founded on Democracy and no one will ever be free in NZ
    Perhaps you should open your eyes just a little bit. And perhaps you could list the countries which have more freedom than ours. Then list the ones that don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddy79 View Post
    If you think there is freedom in NZ then you as much as a fool as those who think NZ is a democratic nation
    NZ was not founded on Democracy and no one will ever be free in NZ
    As the saying goes, 'one born every minute'.
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    ...it wastes your time and annoys the pig!

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    North Korea sounds good!
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    NZ is free-er than most other countries @<u><a href="https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.nz/member.php?u=7283" target="_blank">Paddy79</a></u> - But that's not to say our govt, MSM & police aren't behaving like a wolf in sheep's clothing, they certainly are.

    As for this BS "contract" and storage recommendation all of us need to as a collective push back because in the end if we don't and we do "compromise" a little with them they will take it all. After that NZ will be more aligned with Britain & Australian gun laws.

    If we take all of the unlawful policy crap and inconsistent administration throughout the country + all of the countless rules & regulations that are nothing more then "hurdles" and an inconvenience to FAL holders, we are undoubtedly steering towards something pretty bad.

    We don't want to end up like this guy do we??

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YKRnEOUxZm0

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    Uhh not sure what happened about the mention of Paddy79 ?

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    Today is the last day for submissions guys.

    If you can bitch and moan here you can take five minutes to make a submission that might make a differance for all of us . if you cant , then you have no reason to complain when we all get shafted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muzza View Post
    Today is the last day for submissions guys.

    If you can bitch and moan here you can take five minutes to make a submission that might make a differance for all of us . if you cant , then you have no reason to complain when we all get shafted.
    Already did it for all the good it will do, but at least I stood up
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