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Thread: Geuss Who? Phillip Alpers Chimes In

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    Quote Originally Posted by kotuku View Post
    Thank you gents -no i was not drunk.

    To S.Y.S.T.O.L.I.C- GO DRINK A BOTTLE OF ANDREWS LIVER SALTS ,MAYBE THAT'LL TAKE THE SHIT OFF YOUR LIVER.

    Or as previously stated your royal moaner -if ya dont like my posts ,dont read the bloody things OK,n ones forcing you to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage1 View Post
    This is a weak and easily defeated argument, registration isn't about getting back the firearms that're already in criminal hands, it's about deterring the flow of firearms from a LFAO to unlicenced people by being able to trace them and to be able to trace stolen firearms back to a crime and possibly lead to charges in the justice system.

    I'm not for or against registration, but trying these strawman arguments doesn't help your cause.
    Still not sure how registration will work for firearms where the serial number gets ground off, or the firearm doesn't or was never manufactured with a legible serial number or other identifying mark, or worse is stamped in something other than english or arabic such as we are used to. Basically it's going to be an expensive and uselessly irrelevant excuse for an attempt to solve an issue by people that don't understand it and won't or can't tackle the root cause of the issue - which is humans being bad and doing bad things to other people. Because in this case, a list recording numbers marked on inanimate objects is seriously going to stop bad people doing bad things isn't it???

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    Quote Originally Posted by kotuku View Post
    Alpers-a few historics
    A former TV"fairgo "reporter.rose to fame as former alliance disarmaments minster Matt Robsons(in era of herr clucks ,jimmy anderton labour govt)appointment to go to UN convention on disarmamentt. previous to this had been in USA working as ?orderly in a veterans hosptial ,after which had some role in a sanfransisco AIDS hospital.
    That UN convention was notorious for its outcome
    put simply
    half the participants apparently were waiting for coffee &scones ,the other half werent sure why they were there and what they were waiting for and finally as often happens in these high faluting talkfests a two paragraph statement was issued at its conclusion saying they'd agreed on nothing!!!!!!

    NOW ginga alpers gets himself attached to some social studies dept at an aussie varsityas?an associate professor.Him and a comrade produce for wee Mattys consumption a so called study on NZfirearms ownership incorporating all sorts of dubious data from the warring nations of polynesia-Solomons Timor etc etc
    wait for it it gets better-whilst Matty claps his wee paws with joy as he gets set to control these firearms owners in NZ(terrible beasts they are!!!!!!!!!)in steps prof Gary Mauser of Simon Fraser university ,British Columbia Canada.now the Prof is the real deal ,regarded worldwide as top echelon on the firearms issue.
    He peer reviews the Alpers&co study and announces its a load of tripe with not only massive defects in the quality of data gathered but also the interpretation of that data and the modus operandi of the two academics who participated.IIRC he also treated another one of theirs to another peer review autopsy -no prizes for his conclusions
    I had a simlar experience where a colleague showed me an article"antigun"sourced from a tasmanian gerontology nursing academic writing in an NZNO magazine,round about the time old johny howard (little aussie 4eyes PM)curried favour with his guns buy up post port arthur.
    this wench quoted Alpers at length,so I"ghost wrote a short reply pointing out how bloody ridiculous her rant was ,ill informed ,what bloody expertise did she actually have in this field ,and so on and also givin NZNO editorial a spray as well.the letter never got published altho a couple of milder ones in a similar vein did.
    Anyhow sorry for going off on a tangent,but there is a few facts about buddy Alpers(coincidentally he looks like adam savage ,the ginga on" Mythbusters")
    google Gary Mauser -hes bloody interesting to read on this issue,as is another female aussie academic whose name escapes me presently(????Dr Linda),but is a pain in the arse to the aussie ant gun establishment.
    @kotuku would you please do us the honour of copying and pasting that Gary Mauser reply to gingas load of trip! We could all do with a good laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sideshow View Post
    @kotuku would you please do us the honour of copying and pasting that Gary Mauser reply to gingas load of trip! We could all do with a good laugh
    Mate id love too but its actually sitting at home in chch in one of my files,whereas i am here on the coast at present and will be till jan 2018.

    I dont neccesarily think it would improve the disposition of the aforementioned either as It contains proper spelling grammar etc etc which is a distinct dislike of his given his current response.

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    We note on registration of firearms....since I live in the uk and have first hand experience!

    All guns are registered. One a paper license its two pages long. One for firearms which are a privilege to own and one for shotguns which are a right to own! It's in law here? Don't ask but goggle
    Now if you lose your license your home address is on it along with all your guns( who ever thought that up was genius ah)
    You must carry these two bits of paper when ever you go out with your guns! Did I mention that it rains here
    Now you cant go buying any old firearm untill you ask the police for said caliber. So you want a .270 ask police get ok takes around two months. Then want another .270 you have to prove that you need it they then might give it to you but chances are no since you have one already No sir!
    You sell your .270 to get up graded .270 (is there such a thing) you have to go through the whole process again. Just because you have one on your ticket dose not mean that you can exchange it for another.
    Shotguns are a little different you can buy and sell but must inform the police each time you do this transaction.
    Has it stopped gun crime?
    Short answer no!
    Can the police keep up with registration?
    No! Two to three months if you have a ticket longer if you don't.
    Oh just for some icing on cake. Each police force has its own way of interpreting the law from the home office.
    So here in the Thames valley the chief constable is a right f@{%%******+= and over the boarder in Wiltshire he's a gent
    Any question do ask I'll try to answer them
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    Sorry about above post if you can't read my spell of swear words pm me and I'll get you the correct spelling straight away

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    The part about the police interpreting the law differently is similar to ours @Sideshow It's a pain in the arse!

    I am genuinely interested to know, how are shotguns a right to own? Please elaborate.

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    In South Africa, every single licensed firearm has to be registered to their owner. Let's ask the people of South Africa how firearm registration has helped prevent or reduce firearm related crime this week.








    *crickets*

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    @Sasquatch I can't find it at the moment but it's one of those old laws that they have here in the uk.

    If you look at it from a purely law point of view I would say that it is the same in NZ.

    You go to the police and apply for a firearms licence, this is your right. It is then up to the police to PROVE that you are fit and proper to have that licences. That's just how the law works. So long as you don't prove that your not fit and proper then it is your right to have a firearms license.

    Sure you can bleat on about it being a privileged and the police can say it and write it as much as they want, but take it to court and prove that they are not supplying you with a firearms license (so long as your fit and proper) and the court then finds in your favour then it's your right.
    No long a privilege. Anyway I think I might have just high jacked this thread. Sorry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickoli View Post
    Even more enjoyable when it pisses off the Forum Fuckwit (read Troll)... @systolic
    What makes you think I get pissed off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by systolic View Post
    What makes you think I get pissed off?
    The fact that you weren't breastfed as an infant and that you were just teased with the nipple?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan View Post
    The fact that you weren't breastfed as an infant and that you were just teased with the nipple?
    Yawn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by systolic View Post
    Yawn.
    Now you know the feeling every time you post. How about you take:

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockland View Post
    It must be 20 years ago now but IIRC he turned up at an Auckland pistol club and fired 2 Accidental Discharges before they took the pistol off him.

    After Aramoana he was the media's darling "Firearm expert Philip Alpers said..."

    It was a good day when he left us and moved to Australia.
    From memory this incident was reported on by SSANZ. He turned up to a small bore club trying to appear that he was a shooter and everybody's friend. He had two negligent discharges into the floor of the indoor range with a top of the line Anschutz and tried to blame the rifle. I do believe he also had some interaction with either the Police or the courts regarding him failing to notify police of his change of address pertaining to his firearms licence.
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    Regarding the registration thing, for shits and giggles, I recently purchased an MSSA, and did my bit, took it to the local to get endorsed to me, he grabbed the pink slip without looking at it or the rifle and was about to walk off when I asked him if he was going to bother inspecting the rifle and filling the form out for me. So we did that. And a few days later I get an email from the AO saying the rifle doesnt exist in the system. Further investigation revealed the bolt had been registered at some point, but not the rifle. Cluster fuck. We don't want this multiplied by a few hundred.
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