Thread: Important update from FSA for Gunsmiths !

Originally Posted by Fssprecision

They are a bit vague on that point, suggesting that only if it is kept for over 30 days, it could be a trigger.

I can't see how it wouldn't be an activating event? If you have to complete the online DTR form then it will automatically activate them I'm pretty sure.

My opinion is that the Registry is here to stay so might as well eat the frog and get it over with but yea, some customers are going to be upset with that.

Originally Posted by Oscar

This has a whiff of the good old ultra vires policy making by the enforcers yet again.

It's a pain for a firearms owner to do this each time something goes to a gunsmith; can only imagine the nightmare it will be for those businesses. Needs to go to the Minister

This makes complete sense. The phone in transfer system is a complete dogs breakfast, so let’s overload it more for all concerned. It’ll be some seat polisher in the FSA deciding to throw their weight around knowing full well that it’ll be a right pain for everyone concerned.

Originally Posted by Oscar

This has a whiff of the good old ultra vires policy making by the enforcers yet again.

It's a pain for a firearms owner to do this each time something goes to a gunsmith; can only imagine the nightmare it will be for those businesses. Needs to go to the Minister

This makes complete sense. The phone in transfer system is a complete dogs breakfast, so let’s overload it more for all concerned. It’ll be some seat polisher in the FSA deciding to throw their weight around knowing full well that it’ll be a right pain for everyone involved.

Looks like I will need to do my own gunsmithing for the foreseeable future - not sure if Gunworks should a) Thank me for saving them the admin balls ache or b) curse on missing the revenue.

Fortunately any complicated jobs can wait post June 2028 as I have plenty of spare guns of all calibres (or close match!)

I think I may just go and check on the regs tomorrow in more detail.

Originally Posted by Oscar

This has a whiff of the good old ultra vires policy making by the enforcers yet again.

It's a pain for a firearms owner to do this each time something goes to a gunsmith; can only imagine the nightmare it will be for those businesses. Needs to go to the Minister

It's deliberate to discourage people from firearms ownership

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

It's deliberate to discourage people from firearms ownership

Death by a thousand cuts!

Didnt the new act outline changes in exactly this field?

So if someone drops their gun off for a clean on the way to town and then picks it up an hour or two later what do I have to do? This is f.....g stupid.

More time spend on the PC that does not generate income, away from my work bench and other machines that actually does make money. Darn!

I've checked the website last night. Still says Gunsmiths only have to update their records - I expect this will be updated shortly.

There is a difference between the information on the FSA website and what was stated in the letter we received on Monday.
Until we have absolute clarification from the FSA, the bellow is our best understanding:

Nothing changes for customers dropping off a rifle for work. The only change is additional administration for the dealer.

From what I understand the only situation where an issue could arise is if something had already changed before the rifle was dropped off that would have created an activating circumstance (for example, a change of address that hasn’t been updated with the FSA). In that case, us entering the details into the online system will flag it at their end. If your firearms are already registered, nothing changes.

We have also been advised that, provided you personally collect your rifle within 30 days, this will not prompt registration, unless there was already an existing activating circumstance as above.

We, along with several other dealers, are actively seeking clarification, as parts of this process may not align with the wording in the legislation. Once this is clarified, we’ll update customers accordingly.

Thankyou.

Originally Posted by DPT

There is a difference between the information on the FSA website and what was stated in the letter we received on Monday.
Until we have absolute clarification from the FSA, the bellow is our best understanding:

Nothing changes for customers dropping off a rifle for work. The only change is additional administration for the dealer.

From what I understand the only situation where an issue could arise is if something had already changed before the rifle was dropped off that would have created an activating circumstance (for example, a change of address that hasn’t been updated with the FSA). In that case, us entering the details into the online system will flag it at their end. If your firearms are already registered, nothing changes.

We have also been advised that, provided you personally collect your rifle within 30 days, this will not prompt registration, unless there was already an existing activating circumstance as above.

We, along with several other dealers, are actively seeking clarification, as parts of this process may not align with the wording in the legislation. Once this is clarified, we’ll update customers accordingly.

Great update thanks, the only thing that might change for the customer is that we need the address to complete the DTR, I have seen some unhappy at giving address when asked to at retail entablements.

Cheers

Originally Posted by Coop

I can't see how it wouldn't be an activating event? If you have to complete the online DTR form then it will automatically activate them I'm pretty sure.

My opinion is that the Registry is here to stay so might as well eat the frog and get it over with but yea, some customers are going to be upset with that.

Therin lies the issue...some gunsmith jobs are not activating events but it seems that now just giving it to the gunsmith to do this is ? I thought when I read this that perhaps it was so if the firearm is with the gunsmith for longer than 30 days they have the info to be able to do a transfer but then it states the transfer must be completed within the 30 days.

As a FAL holder I want to comply with the laws around firearms, but at the very least, they could word them so people know what we are supposed to and not supposed to do. I know ignorance around no knowing a law is not accepted as an excuse, but what about not understanding what is required for compliance? I read the legal bits 4 or 5 times and it still makes little sense to me...and I read a lot and consider myself to be able to read some pretty heavy reading...

It's not so much that it is possibly an activating event that furrows my brow, as that will become moot in time when all are registered. And its not extra work for the owner. Its the time and hassle for the dealer/gunsmith.

Having to always record onto the FSA database both the dropping off and then the collecting of the firearm from dealer/gunsmith seems unnecessary, at least if it is within the 30 days? Especially if its a non-restricted type. I can loan a rifle to a friend for 29 days with no paperwork; but can't leave it with someone arguably more invested in security for the same period?

I have been told the new Act will have a 7 day grace period, which is tight enough.

Originally Posted by Oscar

It's not so much that it is possibly an activating event that furrows my brow, as that will become moot in time when all are registered. And its not extra work for the owner. Its the time and hassle for the dealer/gunsmith.

Having to always record onto the FSA database both the dropping off and then the collecting of the firearm from dealer/gunsmith seems unnecessary, at least if it is within the 30 days? Especially if its a non-restricted type. I can loan a rifle to a friend for 29 days with no paperwork; but can't leave it with someone arguably more invested in security for the same period?

I have been told the new Act will have a 7 day grace period, which is tight enough.

Shhhhhhh or that loan event might become next target.....