Thread: Kawerau siege - Stuff court report

Probably not fair to quote him about decisions made (not his) prior to what unfolded...that goes out the door when your mates have just been shot at point blank I'm afraid and you are returning fire.
The only shame is that he is alive to defend himself in court.

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Originally Posted by BRADS

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Some of us have more experience than others.

Originally Posted by Feral

Some of us have more experience than others.

At least someone here knows what's happening.

Originally Posted by Feral

Some of us have more experience than others.

So what experience do you have dealing with unknown people, not knowing whether they're armed or not, in their own houses whilst having to operate under NZ law and Police policy? I'm dying to hear this.

Originally Posted by Savage1

So what experience do you have dealing with unknown people, not knowing whether they're armed or not, in their own houses whilst having to operate under NZ law and Police policy? I'm dying to hear this.

Sorry Savage, I don't enter into online pissing contests but more than happy to buy you a beer and take you through my videos, photo albums and written accounts in person if you're in / around Palmy at any stage.

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Originally Posted by Savage1

So what experience do you have dealing with unknown people, not knowing whether they're armed or not, in their own houses whilst having to operate under NZ law and Police policy? I'm dying to hear this.

Hopefully it doesn’t include firing indiscriminately through walls into rooms suspected of containing hostages/innocent woman or children.

Originally Posted by Koshogi

Hopefully it doesn’t include firing indiscriminately through walls into rooms suspected of containing hostages/innocent woman or children.

Absolutely not. And this is why it is a training issue (and a legal one). The poor officers going into a nasty, and frankly, specialised, role of urban house clearance in an ambiguous environment and then reacting as best their natural instinct tells them to in the heat of the circumstances - like seeing your mate dropped like a log. Only those involved will ever know what went through their minds in the stress of the moment, but this is where training makes the difference in training the agreed actions (ie policy / tactics / procedures) into the mind (stress reaction / resilience) and the body (muscle memory). No one can sell the narrative to me that it is "SOP" to clear an urban room by fire, without knowing the risk of innocents being present. Not that NZ Police disclose or discuss tactics or operational procedures...

So, in a nutshell, a reaction in the heat of the moment that a better resourced and therefore better trained police force could have handled better. Particularly important when you are looked to as an example organisation. Instead, a guy trying to do his job the best he can is exposed to massive risk of manslaughter / negligence and a bunch of other strong words like those from being under prepared in a situation he wasn't trained adequately for.

Except it appears they're lacking tactics in this case.

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Except it appears they're lacking tactics in this case.

Or resources...



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I'm more surprised that those higher up made them go in after an armed guy in a house when gas or other options were available. To me that shows they value the lives of the 4 poor bastards who have to actually go kick in doors less than someone's granny getting hurty eyes. Most people on here know what happens when you shoot animals at close range with any firearm. Can you imagine how much you'd be shitting yourself? Of course they stitched the place up! Fuck that, give them a deadline and gas the fuck out of it.

What an absolute farce letting the prick defend himself.

Originally Posted by Rushy

What an absolute farce letting the prick defend himself.

That is his right, and I think it's great that he has - he's fucked himself to the nth degree possible. Should be encouraged, as we also don't end up paying state legal counsel for the parasite

Originally Posted by Tommy

That is his right, and I think it's great that he has - he's fucked himself to the nth degree possible. Should be encouraged, as we also don't end up paying state legal counsel for the parasite

Thats what I was thinking. I remember wondering why the police didn't lob in some cs grenades, and frankly their justification for not doing so is a fucking joke, but this ass hat defending himself is a gift to the prosecution and as a result the public. The fuckstick is trying to turn it into a race issue.

Originally Posted by Tommy

That is his right, and I think it's great that he has - he's fucked himself to the nth degree possible. Should be encouraged, as we also don't end up paying state legal counsel for the parasite

Fuck his rights Tommy. There is no way that bastard should get to make the copper relive the time he got shot by the twerp. Someone needs to punch the snot out of him. Calm down Rushy, calm down.