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Thread: Man who shot teen dead in hunting accident 22 years ago loses firearms licence bid

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    Drunk drivers who cause a fatal accident can get their licence back in due time. So should a person in a hunting/shooting accident be allowed to gain a licence back?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanners View Post
    There is someone who has fatally shot another and has a firearms license - yes.

    Whether it was lost and regained, never lost, or issued for the 1st after said event - unsure exactly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddy79 View Post
    Drunk drivers who cause a fatal accident can get their licence back in due time. So should a person in a hunting/shooting accident be allowed to gain a licence back?
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    Yes, if the shooter wasn't drinking. Except for former All Blacks of course.
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    Correction - that was a NON fatal accident.
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    I know two people who have shot another hunter, one fatal, and both still have licences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannyb View Post
    I don't know what the new system is like or what it will change if anything.....purely stating the current system is a failure aimed at getting pretty much everyone through so long as they attend.
    That is the impression I was left with when I sat mine. We were constantly reminded that these "course providers" would get us through and weren't here to fail us.
    Thank you for your very honest posting dannyb. Your post is a much better start point for us to make a difference than a discussion debating societies and the courts comparative view of road accident versus shooting accidents . As I have said before I have never seen even one new firearms licence holder who is fully trained in firearms handling safety. I am sure that there are things that I would do better with some better training too.
    I will open this up with two good sound habits for new licence holders:
    1)Get in the habit of stopping at a perimeter line - could be a garden gate for example that you 'do not cross' without checking your firearm is safe and that means bolt out or gun broken, action pined back mag out empty before you proceed to a dwelling etc.
    2) Count your ammo before you go hunting, shooting rabbits etc and be able account for every shot fired and every unused shell when you get back. If there is one missing where is it ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordite View Post
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    Oh good grief. After the shooting he has proven that he's not in control of his emotions, also there appear to be a number on here who know the guy and the circumstances around the various issue with him getting his license back. Guess what, they are saying no also, so I guess that's a no from me as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannyb View Post
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    Moa Hunter just forgot to put in the @ sign - I'm not losing the plot. (-:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gapped axe View Post
    Oh good grief. After the shooting he has proven that he's not in control of his emotions, also there appear to be a number on here who know the guy and the circumstances around the various issue with him getting his license back. Guess what, they are saying no also, so I guess that's a no from me as well.
    That settles it then.
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    And then this happens...

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-...home-detention

    It states "Patterson was able to buy 10 firearms on Hayes' TradeMe account using his name and firearm licence. The guns included two AK-47 type weapons. " and then it adds "While Hayes held a gun licence it didn't permit him to own military style semi-automatic weapons either.". So much for accuracy. If he got them from trade me they would not have been MSSA and if they are now MSSA it is because they modified them afterwards....

    Another question arises. If he enabled an unlicensed person to obtain firearms, is he still a fit and proper person to hold a license??????

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    Quote Originally Posted by timattalon View Post

    Another question arises. If he enabled an unlicensed person to obtain firearms, is he still a fit and proper person to hold a license??????
    Well obviously not. Which is probably why Hayes' licence was revoked in August last year, according to the NZ Herald.
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    People have lost their f'arms license for getting convicted of drink driving. The law surrounding when a license should be revoked is less than gray... its more a muddy colour.

    One of this guys arguments was he wants to be able to teach his kids hunting. He still can, just not with a firearm unless they have a license as well. In fact, he can still hunt under the supervision of a flicno holder, so what is his real issue?

    Interesting unrelated side note; They guy who wrote the original NZ Arms Code shot and killed a ranger in Woodhill Forest. No system is infallible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6x45 View Post
    People have lost their f'arms license for getting convicted of drink driving. The law surrounding when a license should be revoked is less than gray... its more a muddy colour.

    One of this guys arguments was he wants to be able to teach his kids hunting. He still can, just not with a firearm unless they have a license as well. In fact, he can still hunt under the supervision of a flicno holder, so what is his real issue?

    Interesting unrelated side note; They guy who wrote the original NZ Arms Code shot and killed a ranger in Woodhill Forest. No system is infallible.
    Yes. Food for thought....

    I believe persons with a police-cancelled license are forbiddcn from even using an air rifle under direct supervision. Someone pls correct me.
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