just back from the road show with the head of the mountain safety council.
long story short we will all be replaced by paid staff, delivering to less than a third of the current locations.
Yay!
i am so mad i could just scream!
Greg
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just back from the road show with the head of the mountain safety council.
long story short we will all be replaced by paid staff, delivering to less than a third of the current locations.
Yay!
i am so mad i could just scream!
Greg
I wish I could say I was surprised but after what happened to N and M a while back I'm not
Absolute shame!
What is the logic behind such a move?
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Sorry Greg, I "like to dislike", your last paragraph is the best, "I am so mad I could just scream"
I am very sorry to hear it, I been a "student" in my branch 4 years ago and my instructors (Paul Damon and Peter "Dodgy" Henderson) was the best I could ask for.
Good luck to us with the outcome ahead.
Mac
Probably health and safety oh and money, I hope you local guys managed to hold on to the funds you had, I know of one lot that distributed theres to the members, as they raised it!
Yeah.. I've seen some emails from N and M come through regarding the roadshow and a number of blatantly false statements being made to justify the new direction.
To even think they can replace the work of 500 competent and trained volunteers with 5 (full) or 45 (part-time) paid contractors is just ridiculous.
I was an alpine, bush and abseil instructor with MSC back in the late 90's early 2000's. I am sorry to hear of where they are going. It seems to be very corporate and jobs for the boys. It will effectively be a an NZOIA takeover.
So potentially a new hurdle for those looking to get their firearms license?
Don't think firearms have been affected.
I'm thinking in terms of getting to attend the required safety course if there is gonna be less than a tenth of the usual number of instructors.
One can project a lot of information via Facebook and YouTube these days. Hopefully they harness these media in an intelligent and informative manner.
Crazy.
Ryan some of us just cant be "fcuked":O_O:
So you're saying that it's all done and dusted when there are still eight "workshops" yet to be held? They want our input on the three modules they are presenting, one only is for 5 full time paid employees to deliver, one for 40 part time and one for fifteen part time and 72 volunteers.
I hadn't realised it was the firearms instructors they were getting rid of, I thought you guys were "safe". Can't see how they are going to keep the same level of service. Rural people are probably going to have to travel a long way or wait a long time to be able to go on a course.
Backdoor firearms control. You have to go on a course to get your firearms licence, sorry the next course in your area is 2020.
It's a disgrace, I'm sure they have already decided on what option they are going with & the roadshow is a token "consultation" I was working so missed the one here, the only reason they want to hold onto it is because of the money they get from NZ Police & they are trying to spin it to sound like they know what they are doing. The sooner its contracted out to another organisation the better.
I spoke to someone highish up in MSC apparently driven by the Police. Police are worried only 140ish active firearms instructors and most over 60. Also worried about inconsistencies in delivery and moderation of the courses.
Great, so instead of 140 firearms instructors there are now 0. Instead of perceived inconsistencies in delivery and moderation of the courses, there is now a consistent non-delivery of courses. It will be interesting to see what happens from here.
How often did the MSC volunteer instructors undergo continuing training or refreshers ?
To what standard was their competency as instructors and adherence to content assessed ?
I've had both good (bushcraft & river safety) and bad (firearms) experiences with MSC courses....
yep, the head had a predetermined outcome, the roadshow is a box ticking exercise to cover the consultation process.
msc will be going ahead with option a. 40 part time staff in 45 locations.
the head of the msc dose not hold a FAL
he has no interest in firearms, he is a failed school teacher.
he would not answer even the most basic questions like cost recovery for what was a free service.
this is a hatchet job and its comming from the top.
if that person told you ther was 140 actively delivering, (there is 31 active in only southland! the number is currently just under 500) then he is very likely telling other lies like the lack of a cordinated training and assessment, the lack of new instructors who have to now apply online (go to there web site and try to become a new member.....the site is down, i wonder why?)
lies are being spread to justify their position, but they are still lies, used to discredit all the hard work of the current members.
i am sorry i cant give you numbers now, but the assesment prosess is done about every 2 to 3 years, trainers are vetted by designated vetters to ensure the few islolated cases of a bad experence are not continued.
ongoing training and support was cordinated from msc head office and channeled thru the district cordinators.
the system was going very well untill the new head came along and flicked all the staff who were "the old guard" leaving no support for the districts and thats when they started to quit and go independantly.
the trainers quitting suited him perfectly because it reaffirmed his case that volunteers were "unreliable"
the current 500 ish members deliver approxamatly 12000 licence courses a year, you dont hear about the 11950 "good" sessions, but the 50 bad ones everyone hears about. remember these are volunteers, and they are human. sometimes we all have a bad day.
muzza, firstly i want to say thankyou as a shooter, to you for your years of effort, it is something that i dont think many realise the effort you would have gone thru to offer this service.
secondly, i dearly hope there will be another option for yourself, me and all the other volunteers to change to so we can continue to do our best for the shooting community and msc can get stuffed.
We were told tonight in Taupo by Nathan Foster, the MSC Acting Operations Manager, that their preferred option at this point is model "A" as you've described above. However, he was absolutely adamant that no final decision had been made on this.
Also, when asked about the number of current active instructors it was around 105. There are many instructors who hold a warrant but no longer instruct.
well, there is 31 active in southland, we were at the meeting last nite, we were told that they havent made there mind up, but it was quite clear to us that the msc have made there mind up.
that leaves 73 for the rest of the country? i am sceptical that those numbers are correct.
no wait, i just realised, everyone quit up north so that mite be correct, remember there is many who have started to deliver independant of the msc.
Form up the NMSC?
New msc.
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They will end up like Water Safety NZ, put out lots of pamphlets and press releases, but not actually stop people drowning.
The only other group that could take over firearms instructing is NZDA. You would need a national group that all ready has the expertise, and national coverage, it would be similar to a HUNTS course.