Thread: NZ Police Press release

Originally Posted by Rushy

I may be alone in this concern but in a future over populated world where clean water becomes a highly sort after resource that wars will likely be waged over, it worries me that New Zealand society may have completely lost the ability to bear arms in defence of its resources.

Sounding like spawn of Jane Fonda and Genghis Khan there Rushy, but I hear ya

Originally Posted by ebf

Sounding like spawn of Jane Fonda and Genghis Khan there Rushy, but I hear ya

I have sat to the right of Ghengis Khan for most of my life but suckling at the breast of Jane Fonda is a new and novel thought.

Originally Posted by Rushy

I have sat to the right of Ghengis Khan for most of my life but suckling at the breast of Jane Fonda is a new and novel thought.

Oh you lucky bastard Jane Fonda's tit OMG that'd be an all day job!

Originally Posted by Rushy

ebf you are correct with your math. 8><-----

The thing that concerns me the most about the (clear to me) decline is that 95 in every 100 people I meet have little or no experience of the place that firearms have in our history as a nation and our cultural background / way of life as a people.

I may be alone in this concern but in a future over populated world where clean water becomes a highly sort after resource that wars will likely be waged over, it worries me that New Zealand society may have completely lost the ability to bear arms in defence of its resources.

Yep, I get the distinct impression these days that abundant fossil fuel/energy has seen most ppl disconnect from the reality of producing same. Passing Peak oil in 2006 was a non-event, denying we wont have shortages of fuel, food and water while we breed like rabbits is dis-connected, that means we face pest control (wars).

So yeah, water comes out of a tap, power out of a socket and food off a shelf. No concern, just what's the latest iphone and app and what desktop piccy looks cool. Me Im pissed that my 2005 phone fell apart, now I have a "smart phone" the features of which I dont use and the f***king battery now lasts 3 days and not 7~8. Meanwhile I stand on the range at Trentham and look at real scenery around me and think how lucky I am to be out enjoying it.

Yip. I for one hear what you say Steven. Enjoy NZ implicitly before it's entirely foreign owned and even more over populated. One just needs to travel a little of the world to see what the rabbit breeding has procured.

If you read the list of proposed special reasons for importing an airsoft gun, it mentions dealer's maintaining stock, so once they get here, they will continue to sell them to anyone, as there is nothing within the act to stop them, with exception to under 18 etc. The net effect is the only people affected are serious air gun hobbyists, and any drop kick can buy them from a sports shop or tardme. This work is purely a back patting exercise, and will not achieve it's intended purpose.

Originally Posted by Beavis

If you read the list of proposed special reasons for importing an airsoft gun, it mentions dealer's maintaining stock, so once they get here, they will continue to sell them to anyone, as there is nothing within the act to stop them, with exception to under 18 etc. The net effect is the only people affected are serious air gun hobbyists, and any drop kick can buy them from a sports shop or tardme. This work is purely a back patting exercise, and will not achieve it's intended purpose.

That was my point. It seems that this is really there to stop individuals doing single imports and push them towards retailers.

Double post

Originally Posted by Beavis

If you read the list of proposed special reasons for importing an airsoft gun, it mentions dealer's maintaining stock, so once they get here, they will continue to sell them to anyone, as there is nothing within the act to stop them, with exception to under 18 etc. The net effect is the only people affected are serious air gun hobbyists, and any drop kick can buy them from a sports shop or tardme. This work is purely a back patting exercise, and will not achieve it's intended purpose.

100% here Beavis-spot on.

The changes should help cut down all the knockoff magpul stuff out there too.

Beavis, agreed. Does not really make sense unless they going to enforce a "permit to procure" type setup for restricted airguns ??? Not even sure if that's possible, because there is no license endorement ?

Originally Posted by ebf

Beavis, agreed. Does not really make sense unless they going to enforce a "permit to procure" type setup for restricted airguns ??? Not even sure if that's possible, because there is no license endorement ?

It would require another amendment to introduce something like that, and considering the numbers of "guns" involved it would be nigh on impossible to set up a meaningful systems. I think it would be much more productive and efficient to approach it from another angle.

I am sure the intent was to stop kids robbing dairy's etc with cheap air guns, but as usual target the object that's involved, the real issues are too hard.

I think what will happen is people will still try to import, but with out the required paperwork issues by Police to clear them from customs. They will be seized by customs.

The very cynical side of me thinks then this "illegal import" information could be used as a reason to stop them from obtaining a fL in the future as "Not Fit an Proper".

mind you I am very cynical,

Im 40 now,and when I was 10 or 11 and my brother was 8 I travelled over to Hawaii and went to the huge markets near pearl harbor and bought ourselves 2 realistic looking pistols each,two were water pistols and the other two were a plastic bb firing one.About $1 each.
Travelled to California,san diego,mexico and caught plane back to nz from Hawaii again.

Walked onto several planes in the usa carrying the pistols and no one even blinked.Walked on the plane for home carrying one of them and again no one gave a damn. On the plane they got put away in the walk on luggage.
Getting off the plane somehow the entire planeload went the wrong way and ended up where you had to go through customs to get on the plane again.

NZ customs insisted on checking everyones bags and freaked out about the 4 plastic pistols and confiscated them saying it was too dangerous to carry them on board a plane.

I have laughed about that for 30 years.

But I am all for the banning of replicas and replica air rifles. 12 yr old neighbor pointed his replica .177 air rifle at me a while back and sadly I had to chase him,grab it off him and smash it on the ground for pointing it at me.Caused all issues with his dad and police but anyone points a gun at me and I will not take it kindly.