Thread: Police association reaction to submissions

Originally Posted by BSA

What doesn’t seem clear is there also a fee per firearm to register and also guns parts ? Does anyone have any more info on this ?

If the NZ Police are so stupid as to think they can launch a Gun Register and expect Gun Owners to pay them for the privilege of populating Their Register it is no wonder that the Criminals are running rampant and rule the streets of this once great & wonderful Country.

Police have no plans to charge to register guns, but that might change over time. They are going to charge $10 to check the SN's of B's and C's though.

Originally Posted by Percy Jones

Police have no plans to charge to register guns, but that might change over time. They are going to charge $10 to check the SN's of B's and C's though.

Yeh that’s what I read too, I think you have to go on line and do your own registering, pity help us if we make a mistake on entering the serial number.

and if the serial number isnt a-z and 0-9, ffs help us all
imagine entering Cyrillic, asian, etc
its going to be a fustercluck

Parliament is at the top of the pyramid they make all the laws.
Everything beneath parliament act on parliaments decisions.
All problems in New Zealand have/are being caused by and can be fixed by 120 MP's.
It's our responsibility to choose the best 120.

Unfortunately no, we don't get to choose the best 120.

120 MP's, all chosen from 120 electorates, now THAT would be something to behold.
But no, Joe average has no say as to which pollies get to become a list MP. The parties do that.

Originally Posted by muzza

American-made rifles made before 1968 frequently dont have serial numbers . Will the police accept me etching FTP01 , 02 , 03 as serial numbers if I have to make a number and attach it ?

and will they accept my serial numbers if they are the same as yours, seeing as we both live in Taranaki or is that too close? Think I'll patent FTP anyway...Finger The Pussy.

Originally Posted by kotuku

as for cahills comments about police and mental health-conveniently he didnt mention the teams of experienced psychiatric nurses who work in POLICE WATCHHOUSES in all major centres an d advise police in cases of untoward behaviours etc. just another case of political expediency and inciting the public wqith sensationalism.

my second point references -after perusing comments on this thread Ireached for my favourite reference- OLD ENGLISH DICTIONARY-the word ignore cropped up -definition seemed perfect for what i wanted so used it.

I can’t speak for everywhere but respectfully I know that many metro areas definitely don’t have any mental health professionals in their watch houses. If the cops there, with their exceedingly limited MH training, suspect that a mental health assessment is required then they contact the local TWO crisis team (who’re obvs already slammed with ED and community cases)

Originally Posted by KeyMod

I can’t speak for everywhere but respectfully I know that many metro areas definitely don’t have any mental health professionals in their watch houses. If the cops there, with their exceedingly limited MH training, suspect that a mental health assessment is required then they contact the local TWO crisis team (who’re obvs already slammed with ED and community cases)

notice isaid major centres- the concept was trialled succesfully in christchurch and waitemata PHQ with intention of rolling it out countrywide .the chc team is composed of nurses of my experience who can fairly well handle anything.Im aware of crisis teams -did a bit myself in one of my coast stints one incident springs to mind of the arrival of two petrified cops till i gave em a brioef sitrep and from then on twas plain sailing.

Originally Posted by muzza

American-made rifles made before 1968 frequently dont have serial numbers........

I suspect what will happen in that situation is that you will have to take your rifle to a gunsmith and have a police supplied serial number stamped on the receiver - at your cost, of course.

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

I suspect what will happen in that situation is that you will have to take your rifle to a gunsmith and have a police supplied serial number stamped on the receiver - at your cost, of course.

will there be reinbursement for the defaceing and the devalueing there of???? TUI anyone???
a supplied serial number...now theres a recipe for a cockup if ever Ive heard one....we cant even get personalised plates on motor vechilles right,there are double ups in circulation.

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

I suspect what will happen in that situation is that you will have to take your rifle to a gunsmith and have a police supplied serial number stamped on the receiver - at your cost, of course.

Not correct.

The Arms Regulations says this:-

12 Identification numbers
(1) A person who imports into New Zealand a firearm, pistol, pistol carbine conversion kit, prohibited firearm, restricted airgun, blank-firing gun, restricted weapon, or major firearm part that does not bear an identification number must stamp or engrave, or cause to be stamped or engraved, in clear view on the frame or receiver, or upper and lower receiver, of that item, within 30 days after the day on which it is imported, a number by which that item may be identified.

Note that this section of the Regulations refers to 'importing into NZ' but there is nothing about those which are already here.
I have underlined and bold text the relevant words. By implication, the owner may choose to do it themselves (must stamp or engrave), or have somebody do it for them (cause to be stamped or engraved).

I haven't found anything, yet, that requires an identifying number to be "unique".

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

will there be reinbursement for the defaceing and the devalueing there of???? TUI anyone???
a supplied serial number...now theres a recipe for a cockup if ever Ive heard one....we cant even get personalised plates on motor vechilles right,there are double ups in circulation.

They don't care that it might deface and devalue your priceless article.
They've already shown that by "buying back" what had previously been lawfully owned property and in doing so devalued any/all value that there might have been between Police and the LAFO of our community, they don't give a shit about your feelings, either way!
However, there might be a small concession in Arms Regulations 12A(1), whereby it might be possible to apply the required number in a "non-visible area". Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by kotuku

notice isaid major centres- the concept was trialled succesfully in christchurch and waitemata PHQ with intention of rolling it out countrywide .the chc team is composed of nurses of my experience who can fairly well handle anything.Im aware of crisis teams -did a bit myself in one of my coast stints one incident springs to mind of the arrival of two petrified cops till i gave em a brioef sitrep and from then on twas plain sailing.

Ah fair play, I wasn't aware of those two so my apologies. Definitely not all major centres through as I know thats not the case in Auck Cent, Counties, Hamilton, Welly or Dunedin. To be fair if its currently a trial in two stations then it would make sense for Carhill to make his comments about Police and MH, if only to put pressure on it (or another solution) to be adopted nationally. As an aside I know that for the last few years Welly have been trialling a MH co-response team which has a DAO, cop and ambo officer in one vehicle which has been seen as very positive by frontline staff across all agencies.

OP - sorry, not intending to derail the thread, just a very interesting topic and cool to get Kotukus views/insight

Originally Posted by no1_49er

Not correct.

The Arms Regulations says this:-

12 Identification numbers
(1) A person who imports into New Zealand a firearm, pistol, pistol carbine conversion kit, prohibited firearm, restricted airgun, blank-firing gun, restricted weapon, or major firearm part that does not bear an identification number must stamp or engrave, or cause to be stamped or engraved, in clear view on the frame or receiver, or upper and lower receiver, of that item, within 30 days after the day on which it is imported, a number by which that item may be identified.

Note that this section of the Regulations refers to 'importing into NZ' but there is nothing about those which are already here.
I have underlined and bold text the relevant words. By implication, the owner may choose to do it themselves (must stamp or engrave), or have somebody do it for them (cause to be stamped or engraved).

I haven't found anything, yet, that requires an identifying number to be "unique".

How can the word, "suspect" be incorrect?

"have an idea or impression of the existence, presence, or truth of (something) without certain proof".

Just kidding. We all know what you meant. Good post.

Originally Posted by KeyMod

Ah fair play, I wasn't aware of those two so my apologies. Definitely not all major centres through as I know thats not the case in Auck Cent, Counties, Hamilton, Welly or Dunedin. To be fair if its currently a trial in two stations then it would make sense for Carhill to make his comments about Police and MH, if only to put pressure on it (or another solution) to be adopted nationally. As an aside I know that for the last few years Welly have been trialling a MH co-response team which has a DAO, cop and ambo officer in one vehicle which has been seen as very positive by frontline staff across all agencies.

OP - sorry, not intending to derail the thread, just a very interesting topic and cool to get Kotukus views/insight

If it didnt progress any further then thats down to NZ police as IIRC its been over two decades since the trial commenced after a MOU(memorandum of understanding) was raised between Police and MOH in this regard..


Most regions also have interface with corrections via community forensic teams holding clinic in prisons,and court liason nurses stationed in all courthouses for judges counsel etc to consult if required.

Cahill is a specious creature politicus personified

BTW-if you have any queries etc re mental illness/syste
ms merely raise a threads -only too happy to help out.