Thread: Police Fire..... Bystander Safety?

Where these the same Christchurch cops and bad man that our own brave 40mm was bagging last week from behind the safety of his keyboard?

https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....ng-cops-48219/

Originally Posted by systolic

Where these the same Christchurch cops and bad man that our own brave 40mm was bagging last week from behind the safety of his keyboard?

https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....ng-cops-48219/

@systolic What is your problem asshole?

Originally Posted by 40mm

@systolic What is your problem asshole?

His blood pressure is too high

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

His blood pressure is too high

very good........... prompted me to google systolic to see what you meant
i learned something today

Originally Posted by scotty

very good........... prompted me to google systolic to see what you meant
i learned something today

This is what I imagine Systolic would be like 'relaxing' if I were to meet him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH7M_P8CiCY

Originally Posted by 40mm

@systolic What is your problem asshole?

My problem is the the edit button has disappeared and I can't correct the spelling error in my post.








That and internet tough guys.

That was my neighbourhood growing up. About 150m away from where I busted my nose. About 2 doors away from where the little red haired girl lived that my mother had her sights on for me. Behind the perp used to be a YHA place. Police did a damned good job in my opinion.

I like to place my shots for a quick kill (talking about hunting not shooting people) If I was being shot at, I think it would be hard for me to stick my head up to look down my gun and aim.

Sums it up really ...commonsense isn't that common anymore...

"We came running out to have a look ... they [police] were firing … whether it was shrapnel off the road flicking past us or whatever but it was really close and you could hear it hitting our fences and bouncing off the house. We could feel them flying past us."

anyone remebver the guy shot by cops at intersection of hlaswell rd /hoonhay rd in chch afew years ago after he tooka women hostage with a knife .ive nursed himand his left wrist is kaput from a 9mmglock rd that somwhat unsuccesfully rearranged his wrist bone structure
that wrist now looks like a skin covered very inept case of fibreglassing.
I also knew a guy (via TF )who was ATS in the david grey saga ,and talking of shit luck later as a CHCH AOS member ,shot in the face by a 12g weilding psych patient holed up in a flat in fitzgerald ave. He was apparently point man in passage outside door when the hua let rip through it
infamous press photo of him clutching at his face and remnants of gas mask plus copious blood!
he survived but became anti gun.
Frankly i wouldnt have a cops job for quids if this is the trend .WTF-this misspent dose of gonad juice has fired on cops previously.
spare me the gut wrenching handwringing and SJWtears etcetc ,but if you decide to go cop shooting for macho fun,well it dont take einstein to realise chances are you could come off second best!!

Police use our range say once a month.
The trainers I see regularly are ex mil guys I served with. One of them is a very good and keen shooter in his spare time.
They have opinions on how much and what training is required but like everything these days it is all controlled by bean counters.

Wasn't much different in the military after Muldoon. Accounting for ammo and pyros was tedious but I spose lives have a price tag.

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My son is a Sgt in Sth Auckland. As GravelBen says, they get sod-all live practice each year. I'll bet the Aussie cops get waaay more- their budgets will be better. It's a thankless task being a cop in these situations. The paper work/official and public scrutiny/ negative after-effects from you shooting someone are plain intolerable, even if it were clearly justified.

As the OP I agree with the sentiments that if you shoot at a police officer and you are fired upon you deserve what you get.

That said I am amazed that it seems OK to have poorly trained officers using firearms on public streets with what seems total disregard for the consequences.

The number of shots fired with (I believe) only two hits on the target/perpetrator is staggering.
The fact that no innocent parties were hit was pure luck. I'm not talking about the drongo's that put themselves and their children at risk. I'm referring to rounds penetrating windows 200m away.

I don't know what the police rules of engagement are. But surely they include things like check firing zone?????

if not

How would the senior officers justify a member of the public's death (adult or child) collateral damage? bad luck?

How would you????????????

Originally Posted by spada

As the OP I agree with the sentiments that if you shoot at a police officer and you are fired upon you deserve what you get.

That said I am amazed that it seems OK to have poorly trained officers using firearms on public streets with what seems total disregard for the consequences.

The number of shots fired with (I believe) only two hits on the target/perpetrator is staggering.
The fact that no innocent parties were hit was pure luck. I'm not talking about the drongo's that put themselves and their children at risk. I'm referring to rounds penetrating windows 200m away.



I don't know what the police rules of engagement are. But surely they include things like check firing zone?????



if not

How would the senior officers justify a member of the public's death (adult or child) collateral damage? bad luck?

How would you????????????

The Police seem to think that a projectile that misses the intended target just falls on the ground, I don't think ballistics are part of the training course
if the trainers are ex military they don't have very much ballistic knowledge going by what friends that have been in the military have said.

Originally Posted by shooternz

The Police seem to think that a projectile that misses the intended target just falls on the ground, I don't think ballistics are part of the training course
if the trainers are ex military they don't have very much ballistic knowledge going by what friends that have been in the military have said.

Sorry man but that doesn't sound right regarding the ex mil police trainers.
Both military trainers I know were Warrant Officers in Infantry or specialist units.
You need a SAFFS course just to reach to Sgt in those careers.
SAFFS is pretty much 5 weeks of small arms, DFSW and Arty ballistics.

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