Thread: Police seize 39 guns in raid at house in rural south Auckland

Originally Posted by Cordite

@outlander

He was tired.

tired my arse -there you go again more assumptions

Sounds like could be the guy in the original post:

"
Preece says he’s a gun collector and the businessman he spoke to shares a mutual interest in firearms, but he was surprised to see the businessman trying to draw him into phone conversations about possibly purchasing illegal weapons like machineguns for his collection; Preece says he was clearly being “entrapped”.

“For probably a month or so now I’ve had a feeling I’m being put into compromising positions, subjects that I’m not agreeable with were being discussed: anti government type discussions, revolutionary-type discussions, radicals – I just got a really bad feeling. Now in the past this guy had never discussed guns with me on the phone – but in the last few weeks he’s been rattling out discussions about guns and some of them would be classified as illegal, like machineguns and other things that I cannot buy on my current licence – on the phone. I thought this was a bit weird. All the guns I own are guns I am allowed to own under my current classification.”

Preece was further surprised to receive a visit from his local community constable who asked for a tour of Preece’s house and gun-safes, on the pretence of following up a noise abatement notice from five months earlier. The house – far from Auckland city – had also been buzzed by the police helicopter."

And they waited this long to take his guns off him?

Originally Posted by bigbear

And they waited this long to take his guns off him?

@bigbear, haha I see what you mean.

If I thought I was under surveillance by anyone I'm not sure I'd hide or run (unless of course I fear for my life). But I'd have a whale of a time acting oddly and give them things to write down and follow up -- knock on doors of nice houses asking for directions, or if so and so lives here. Sit on bench and discretely leave chewing gum on the underside, drop folded up page of magazine in bin with some cyrilic annotations (Russophobia is back in fashion - remember to check under your bed tonight!). Buy ordnance survey map of Norfolk Island. Top the cake with an enquiry at Citizens Advice about Grey Power contact persons in the area.

Originally Posted by Cordite

@bigbear, haha I see what you mean.

If I thought I was under surveillance by anyone I'm not sure I'd hide or run (unless of course I fear for my life). But I'd have a whale of a time acting oddly and give them things to write down and follow up -- knock on doors of nice houses asking for directions, or if so and so lives here. Sit on bench and discretely leave chewing gum on the underside, drop folded up page of magazine in bin with some cyrilic annotations (Russophobia is back in fashion - remember to check under your bed tonight!). Buy ordnance survey map of Norfolk Island. Top the cake with an enquiry at Citizens Advice about Grey Power contact persons in the area.

You forgot to mention doing every telephone survey that rings and givin answers well outside the bell curve of normality

Better still, wait until the microsoft repair guys ring and start up odd conversations with them (coded) dropping words that could cause alarm and see them try and trace the call.....(probably somewhere in India)

Paranoia aye.. is a pot calling the kettle black?

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

Paranoia aye.. is a pot calling the kettle black?

@300CALMAN

Who is talking about "paranoia"? Covert state surveillance in one form or another is part of normal life.

Overt surveillance (assuming competent operators) is deniable harassment.

Originally Posted by Cordite

@300CALMAN

Who is talking about "paranoia"? Covert state surveillance in one form or another is part of normal life.

Overt surveillance (assuming competent operators) is deniable harassment.

Haha yes I think there is enough information out to assume that, nothing would surprise me anymore.

Overt surveillance is a way to turn up the heat on some, someone can do it just pretending to do surveillance. Have a Black Power pad near where we live and they are touchy about people looking at them. Don't ask how I know. They do have reason to be shifty and suspicious anyway because of their dealing activities. If I was the cops, I'd make sure I slow down a bit every time I drove past that place. They would soon catch on, much quicker than they did at school.

Originally Posted by Cordite

Overt surveillance is a way to turn up the heat on some, someone can do it just pretending to do surveillance. Have a Black Power pad near where we live and they are touchy about people looking at them. Don't ask how I know. They do have reason to be shifty and suspicious anyway because of their dealing activities. If I was the cops, I'd make sure I slow down a bit every time I drove past that place. They would soon catch on, much quicker than they did at school.

They are actually stupid enough to do majorly illegal shit right at the pad, I think it was BP Rotorua that got raided a while back and they had a full blown lab set up inside.

Bear in mind, Just because you are paranoid, does not mean you are wrong.......Or if you are right does that still mean it counts as paranoia?

On a more serious note, I would like to believe that Police have more integrity that what was described, especially here in NZ and I would very much like to believe they could not be manipulated into doing something like this (if he is telling the truth). However I do not have the same level of trust in those above the police who make the decisions. You only have to look at the likes of Cahill, and O'Conner to realise the slag and dross usually rises to the top.... If this gents claims are correct and the frontline officers are doing what he describes, then is it because the officer believe what they have been told by those in charge? And do we not have some sort of checks / balances to ensure the safety and integrity of our system. This does smell like an abuse of power, but how much s true and how much is not, it is hard to tell.

Originally Posted by timattalon

Bear in mind, Just because you are paranoid, does not mean you are wrong.......Or if you are right does that still mean it counts as paranoia?

On a more serious note, I would like to believe that Police have more integrity that what was described, especially here in NZ and I would very much like to believe they could not be manipulated into doing something like this (if he is telling the truth). However I do not have the same level of trust in those above the police who make the decisions. You only have to look at the likes of Cahill, and O'Conner to realise the slag and dross usually rises to the top.... If this gents claims are correct and the frontline officers are doing what he describes, then is it because the officer believe what they have been told by those in charge? And do we not have some sort of checks / balances to ensure the safety and integrity of our system. This does smell like an abuse of power, but how much s true and how much is not, it is hard to tell.

@timattalon

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11892103

I suspect this is not an isolated case, nor that the convicted perpetrator acted alone, but rather that he was a bully among bullies, acting in a (blue) mob and taking the fall. Let the word go round down the station that such and such is an arsehole and we should be careful of him - and you suddenly get a lot of cop cars driving past that person's house, checking around his business, etc. and all without any paper trail or conspiracy. Get on the wrong side of the force and you may discover that neither the MM or BP are the biggest patched gang in the country. Yes, it smells.

I remember reading about someone who was called paranoid as he reckoned the FBI was spying on him and it turned out to be true!

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Originally Posted by Russian 22.

I remember reading about someone who was called paranoid as he reckoned the FBI was spying on him and it turned out to be true!

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...veillance.html

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