Thread: Should this dropkick get his FAL back?

You'll be quoted again when people complain about judge's decisions and how wrong they are

I like twats?

In a former life I was in the process of having my FAL revoked and there was able accompanying note spelling out that once revoked, I would not be able to handle firearms at all....
Thankfully the judge had some common sense and the police could not proceed with it...

In my line of work and my opinion..No he should not

Originally Posted by GravelBen

Reference?

Arms Act 1983

27 Revocation and surrender of firearms licence

(1)

Where, in the opinion of a commissioned officer of Police,—

(b)
access to any firearm or airgun in the possession of the person to whom a firearms licence has been issued is reasonably likely to be obtained by any person—

(iii)
whose firearms licence has been revoked on the ground that he is not a fit and proper person to be in possession of a firearm or airgun;

the commissioned officer of Police may, by notice in writing under his hand, revoke the firearms licence, and the person to whom that firearms licence has been issued shall upon demand surrender the licence to a member of the Police.

Looks like a licence holder may lose their FA licence if they grant access to a person who has had their FA licence revoked.

I reckon the cops have a duty of care to keep these blokes away from firearms. Some people just aren't the right sort of personality. Going to wind up killing someone the way these blokes are going.

you'd have to agree in light of the gravity of both incidents coupled with Hores apparent cavalier attitude to use of firearms under his control ,the chances of this appeal succeeding are as much as a draughthorse winning a melbourne cup.
from a purely practical point of view MBIE could have a fieldday on Hore from a H&S perspective too.
so gents i vote no

Originally Posted by kotuku

you'd have to agree in light of the gravity of both incidents coupled with Hores apparent cavalier attitude to use of firearms under his control ,the chances of this appeal succeeding are as much as a draughthorse winning a melbourne cup.

This. He doesn't meet the good character test. Put it this way if you were out hunting and you knew he was within 100 meters of you or your mate would you feel safe? I sure as shit wouldn't. On two occasions he has shown he doesn't have the judgement that you should have to use a firearm, not once, twice. Putting it another way, if it was a motor vehicle license and it was drunk driving would you want him to be allowed to drive again?

He shouldn't be allowed even near an air rifle again as far as I'm concerned.

Another no here, the court of popular opinion seems to favour no so it will be interesting to see what the actual outcome is.

Ah come on guys, he is an ex All Black

If they do give it back it dose open up a precedent for others who really should not have access to firearms.
So really NO
NO!!!

Different rules for driving, hell we are happy to kill 100s each year in car accidents, sure as hell we couldn't kill that number with firearms! Therefore firearms are far more dangerous and no he shouldn't get his licence back! Now figure that bloody logic!, he can happily have a driver licence along with all the other nutters!

Originally Posted by Maca49

Different rules for driving, hell we are happy to kill 100s each year in car accidents, sure as hell we couldn't kill that number with firearms! Therefore firearms are far more dangerous and no he shouldn't get his licence back! Now figure that bloody logic!, he can happily have a driver licence along with all the other nutters!

Id agree with macca-dumbfounded as i am with the logic behind it(what fucking logic)you get clowns appear before the courts up to six times or more DUI before a judge says enough is enough and confiscates DL for a proper time.wow some judges even employ commonsense and say well lad if you cant learn in society have some time behind bars to think about what a fucktard you really are!
What is not highlighted is that operating 2tons of metal at any speed whilst being off ya cottonpicking trolleyis just as fucking deadly as operating a device throwing a small lead or steel pellet or slug.
nup the second is ENTIRELY UNACCEPTABLE cause society says so and should merit maximum punishment and get rid of all guns etc etc etc
But well there may be reasons why that poor chap drove pissed for the sixth time in a fucking row so judge gets fed a load of garbage by a well meaning lawyer!
BOTH ARE WRONG -ABUSE IT AND YA FUCKING LOSE IT -FINITO
thats my wee daily rant over

Two points that have been implied but not explicitly stated (well, one sort of has).

Yip the rich and famous, in NZ particularly rugby stars, have a different level of accountability. Frankly I dont understand the fascination that NZ has with rugby. These people are idols because they throw a bag of air around a field for 90 minutes? Really? Frankly if they want that lifestyle they need to take the responsibility that goes with being a 'role model' for young people. You dont get to turn it on and off when you please. I have a military back ground. Those in command, those that are in leadership positions are held to a higher standard of behaviour, And this rooster needs to have the same, not a lower standard, because, hey mate, wink nudge, you played rugby so its all good.

Next, There is increasing unrest in western society (not just NZ) about inequality, financial and responsibility. Anonymous, brexit, australian election, trump election, hell, even some people voted against the flag change as a big finger to john key. The unrest has a real possibility of growing to more than unrest in the next 30 years.

Have a watch of the documentary 'the four horsemen' on you tube. There are key indicators when an empire is getting restless and dramatic change is ready to occur and western society is showing them.

Most of us can live life without a firearm (it is a luxury many of our Aussie mates don't have). The danger to the public vastly outweighs this guys need to be entertained. I'm aware of the irony btw, that hippies would say that to all of us but our attitudes to safety are the only thing that justifies the trust placed in us.