Thread: Un safety habits taught at Gun City.

I think you might have misconstrued my statement.

I didn't say to not do it(it being; opening an action and showing clear prior to passing a firearm). I said it doesn't bother me and if you following the "golden rules" it's a non issue.

Yes it is in the Arms code. Yes it is probably common place in NZ, not in GC apparently though.

It is not standard practice in a military environment(AUS & CDN).

I have been handed or picked up a loaded firearm on numerous occasions. I did not have a choice in having them open the action first. I did not feel nervous or bothered. I followed the rules and handled the firearm safely.

If it IS an issue to you, and you wish to fully abide by the Arms Code, then by all means insist on the action be opened prior to you receiving the firearm.

Originally Posted by Koshogi

I think you might have misconstrued my statement.

I didn't say to not do it(it being; opening an action and showing clear prior to passing a firearm). I said it doesn't bother me and if you following the "golden rules" it's a non issue.

Yes it is in the Arms code. Yes it is probably common place in NZ, not in GC apparently though.

It is not standard practice in a military environment(AUS & CDN).

I have been handed or picked up a loaded firearm on numerous occasions. I did not have a choice in having them open the action first. I did not feel nervous or bothered. I followed the rules and handled the firearm safely.

If it IS an issue to you, and you wish to fully abide by the Arms Code, then by all means insist on the action be opened prior to you receiving the firearm.

Do you know for a fact it's not standard practise in the aussie military? NZ usually copies everything Australia does and in the nzdf accepting a steyr without being shown its clear will end up in a run to the top of that big fuck off hill over there or up downs.
surely legislation involving the removal of trigger groups on displayed firearms is the only way to go?

My point was (and remains so) that it can still be unsafe to accept a firearm from someone who hasn't checked to see whether the action is clear. There is the chance that the firearm is loaded and the unsafe dickhead who hasn't checked it may even have his or her fat little digit wrapped around the trigger when they attempt to hand it to you. They don't have to have the firearm pointing at you to make it an unsafe thing to do as it could be accidentally discharged by said dickhead resulting in someone else being shot apart from the person they're handing the firearm to.

Therein lies the logic of my earlier reply to you that it's not a non issue and the reason why it's mentioned in the Arms code and taught by the Mountain Safety Council.

I was a D.A. range officer for three years and I can tell you had anyone accepted a firearm that hadn't been shown to be clear from another person then both individuals would be severely reprimanded. If I failed to do so then I would get my arse kicked even harder by the other shooters present.

You can never be too safe with firearms.

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

My point was (and remains so) that it can still be unsafe to accept a firearm from someone who hasn't checked to see whether the action is clear. There is the chance that the firearm is loaded and the unsafe dickhead who hasn't checked it may even have his or her fat little digit wrapped around the trigger when they attempt to hand it to you. They don't have to have the firearm pointing at you to make it an unsafe thing to do as it could be accidentally discharged by said dickhead resulting in someone else being shot apart from the person they're handing the firearm to.

Then they are not following the "golden rules' and so IT then becomes an issue. They probably shouldn't be anywhere near firearms though. Unfortunately, I don't think that example has much logic in it. You can play what if's all day if you want.

As I said, I'm not saying don't do it.

Originally Posted by Koshogi

Then they are not following the "golden rules' and so IT then becomes an issue. They probably shouldn't be anywhere near firearms though. Unfortunately, I don't think that example has much logic in it. You can play what if's all day if you want.

As I said, I'm not saying don't do it.

Firearm safety is all based on eliminating the "if's" not playing with them.

Originally Posted by Koshogi

Then they are not following the "golden rules' and so IT then becomes an issue. They probably shouldn't be anywhere near firearms though. Unfortunately, I don't think that example has much logic in it. You can play what if's all day if you want.

As I said, I'm not saying don't do it.

I think what hes getting at is that in the highly unlikely event that a display rifle makes it from its country of manufacture, through customs at that country, then through nz customs, then from the importer to the retailer then onto display with rounds in it, there would be a chance that the shop person handing the rifle to you could discharge the rifle. So applying ypur golden rules would be too late. Improbable yes impossible no.

Originally Posted by v1025566

So applying your golden rules would be too late. Improbable yes impossible no.

That's a damn good point.