Thread: Warning shot for gun owners

VC, I think to be compensated, newly created E-Cat license holders had to give up their E-Cat license and safe after the Lincoln court case ruling.

I love Richard's work, commend him highly, but sometimes I just wish he would speak as a layman or stfu. This isn't the way to get new members.

Originally Posted by Beavis

I love Richard's work, commend him highly, but sometimes I just wish he would speak as a layman or stfu. This isn't the way to get new members.

He d be a great defence lawyer. Everyone would be so fuking sick of him youd be let go so long as you promised never to bring him back into court.

Originally Posted by Beavis

I love Richard's work, commend him highly, but sometimes I just wish he would speak as a layman or stfu. This isn't the way to get new members.

He is his own worst enemy. Had the opportunity to simply say "oh, you think it's a right ? Why not pop over the our forums to discuss it further because . . . ?" and this simple, clear message which is read by many people just might increase public awareness and actual membership numbers (actual, rather than the make believe ones claimed in Parliament). Those people, who are shooters and frequent forums - you know, the target market for NSA membership.

Guess the problem is, once you tell a lie, it's hard to keep track of which lie is said when and where. Pretty basic stuff for kids, must be a bit trickier for law students

Originally Posted by Beavis

I love Richard's work, commend him highly, but sometimes I just wish he would speak as a layman or stfu. This isn't the way to get new members.

Put him in a box like the gimp then, and only let him out when he is needed in court. He should stay away from forums other than his own.

Read it all yesterday, and into the night, thought better to STFU and not comment, plenty of forum members put him in his place.......

regards his site, i mean the NSA, the advice to buy plastic 'drainpipe' and the equivalent of cosmoline to bury A cat ARs was pretty disturbing...

a bit like 'LOOK AT ME, IM BREAKING THE FUCKING LAW, AND I DONT GIVE A FUCK!!!!!!!!......cool, go for it matey....

I thought i heard the cops stood to loose millions compensating people who had to hand in one to destroy ?

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

I thought i heard the cops stood to loose millions compensating people who had to hand in one to destroy ?

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The hand ins for a new one?

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

I thought i heard the cops stood to loose millions compensating people who had to hand in one to destroy ?

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That's a different kettle of fish being covered in the "statement of Claims" which has been filed in Court - I don't know the finer point other than its a separate thing an its in progress

in actual fact gents the case of R Lincoln Vs NZ police and the judgement of Justice Mallon J .hinges on the expert testimony of one Rodney Woods ,gunsmith (retd)of Loburn nth canterbury.
Rods testimony was such that despite WWW searches and documentary consultation ,the police via the crown were simply unable to refute it.
This is in fact mentioned byJustice Mallon.
Mr grant initiated the challenge but his claims to victory could in this case be somewhat contestable without that witness.
In saying that however it certainly had the desired effect of the learned judge telling the lads in blue to pull their heads in and do what is expected of them ,not play legislators so thats a positive.BTW-i downloaded the judgement and have it in my "firearms "reference file"

I support the principles of the NSA, in theory. I think we as law abiding license holders shouldn't have to put up with illegal behaviour from the police abusing their power. Mr Lincoln stood up on the thumb hole stock issue when everyone else (NZDA, COLFO, etc) didn't do a damn thing.

They don't do themselves any favours in terms of public image, but to be fair the reaction here (sorry Toby) wasn't great from some either. Simple reading comprehension goes a long way. Don't get mad/frustrated at someone if you can't understand them.

I know I over re-acted. But he didn't even answer a question he was asked, he just answered it with another question.

Gimp, are you a member ? If so, same questions I asked Fletch.

I have a strong suspicion that the NSA organisation is a bit of a lark dreamt up by a couple of students who

1) have way too much free time on their hands
2) think that causing shit-fights on forums is fun, and love proving just how "smart" they can be
3) have come up with an ingenious way to drum up support for their future law firm... even bad publicity is still publicity

No, I'm not a member because I think they're dicks. The 'bury your guns' thing on the website, the copy and pasted from the US NRA stuff they used to have up. Etc. Silly word games rather than just stating a point.

I may join though, even though I think they're dicks, because they are at least pro-active in trying to help firearms owners (did the E cat handin case get decided? Was that even them?) and the membership fees probably aren't all that much compared to say, what I spend on ammo every year. If the cost of a brick of .22 ammo contributes to my continued ability to own and shoot that brick of .22 ammo, it's not a bad deal.

No Worries ebf, just a quick reply as i'm heading out the door...

- Do you know anything about the management structure / executive of the organisation ? Are there regional co-ordinators etc ?

I know that Richard seem to be running the show and the organization was formed when he took them to court. He seems to be doing the majority the work, ie 6? odd months ago he was asking what issues people were having, getting evidents from everyone, lodging the statement of claims ( the one addressing the hand ins amoung other things)

- Have you ever attended a NSA meeting (regional or national) AND As a member have you ever been sent any AGM minutes or information about the finances ?

No, Nor would I attend or care. I joined the organization as it was the only one who stood up for shooters who were interested in various firearms effected by the touch our butts campaign when all other groups did nothing. There are no meetings, if anything need to be discussed it was done on the forum. I'm happy to donate $50 (approx) to the cause to help cover costs as I can see things are being done and he spends a lot of time and his own money doing it. I believe in what they are achieving and I because of the touch my butts campaign I was able to my first AR15 2-3 years ago and ended up joining the local Service rifle group, i've meet some great people and I love talking guns all day and I'm thankful for that.

I'm not super active on the forum so some of this may be incorrect but it how I understand it