Thread: This week we test a old shot gun for steel shot

gibo - no i don't think i missed the 'gist' of it. i just object to people misrepresenting facts to make at point.it does everyone a disservice. look if you want to shoot heavy steel loads go and buy a semi-auto designed for it. thats what they are made for and do it well. don't shoot heavy loads through guns,ie most u/o's and sxs are only proofed for 32 grms or 36gms.further more as steel shot does not compress,the maximum choke should be no tighter than half choke(modified).and check your cartridges are not more than your chamber size. what damages shotguns most is firing a heavier load than what they were designed for,not damascus barrels or hammer guns- (gee they are dangerous), well any gun can be.but a damascus barreled hammer gun can be perfectly safe to shoot. i like to deal with facts not endlessly repeated stories that in their telling assume the status of fact. i am on guard for that.

Originally Posted by lophortyx

gibo - no i don't think i missed the 'gist' of it. i just object to people misrepresenting facts to make at point.it does everyone a disservice. look if you want to shoot heavy steel loads go and buy a semi-auto designed for it. thats what they are made for and do it well. don't shoot heavy loads through guns,ie most u/o's and sxs are only proofed for 32 grms or 36gms.further more as steel shot does not compress,the maximum choke should be no tighter than half choke(modified).and check your cartridges are not more than your chamber size. what damages shotguns most is firing a heavier load than what they were designed for,not damascus barrels or hammer guns- (gee they are dangerous), well any gun can be.but a damascus barreled hammer gun can be perfectly safe to shoot. i like to deal with facts not endlessly repeated stories that in their telling assume the status of fact. i am on guard for that.

where did i say you cant shoot steel in a ou that is proofed and choked for it ? all I said is get you gun checked and use the right ammo , and showed what can happen when you get it wrong

there is no way I'm going to tech people on a internet video how to chose the right ammo and test there gun at home with no advice thats just asking for someone to get it wrong and blame me

dskd.i think you would agree that the video was set up for a spectacular result.ok it is a visual world these days,but must our standards always be detirmined by idiots and the impressionable? if you had put a beretta A400 in that set up and fired a shot it still would have launched itself into the air and the gun would have been damaged on impact. in my opinion there should be a lot more awareness about ammo,the effectiveness of various loads etc.many novices think that big loads means more birds,no not necessary,it will damage gun and shoulder more and blow patterns apart.i would recommend that novices never shoot more than 35gms or steel that goes faster than 1450 ft/sec. i never have and i shoot my share and when i miss its never because of the ammo or gun,although i have used every other excuse.

Originally Posted by lophortyx

dskd.i think you would agree that the video was set up for a spectacular result.ok it is a visual world these days,but must our standards always be detirmined by idiots and the impressionable? if you had put a beretta A400 in that set up and fired a shot it still would have launched itself into the air and the gun would have been damaged on impact. in my opinion there should be a lot more awareness about ammo,the effectiveness of various loads etc.many novices think that big loads means more birds,no not necessary,it will damage gun and shoulder more and blow patterns apart.i would recommend that novices never shoot more than 35gms or steel that goes faster than 1450 ft/sec. i never have and i shoot my share and when i miss its never because of the ammo or gun,although i have used every other excuse.

I'm going to test that i think , ill put 3 inch in my versa max and see if it jumps out or stays

i think it illustrates a point nicely.
there are people who think because a 3 inch shell fits into a 2 3/4 inch chamber ''its ok''
ive run into some guys who were told thier 18 inch barrelled riot gun with buckshot was fine for geese.
kotuku was there that day and was incredulous as well as highly offended at their ignorance.
no permits either

Originally Posted by gsp follower

i think it illustrates a point nicely.
there are people who think because a 3 inch shell fits into a 2 3/4 inch chamber ''its ok''
ive run into some guys who were told thier 18 inch barrelled riot gun with buckshot was fine for geese.
kotuku was there that day and was incredulous as well as highly offended at their ignorance.
no permits either

have actually seen that guy went into a gun shop with a side by side (he didn't speak much English eastern European) they tested the chokes they were very tight and the guy at the shop told him that it cant shoot steel without the chokes being reamed and that they didn't have any 2 3/4 steel only 3 and that wont fit he dropped one in and goes see it fits the sales guy begged him not to buy the ammo and shoot it through the gun but he still walked out the door with some 3 inch steel

i do not have a great deal of sympathy for absolute idiots.yes there is a lot of ignorance around firearms,especially shotguns.shops that sell ammo have an obligation(in my opinion) to provide education to the people who buy it.i sold a shotgun,an italian u/o to a young shooter i explained to him and his father the maximum loads it could fire,the chamber size,chokes etc.three years later he rings me up and says the gun has a crack in the metal. i said what have you been firing in it? Oh,42gm goose loads,( bought for him by his father!). his father is otherwise an intelligent man. yes i don't like things tarted to exaggerate,nor do i like, you must buy the latest and greatest, without critical examination.nor do i like perfectly good shotguns however old, trashed because of their vintage. the russian bakail, is a very strong gun,tightly choked though it may be. i accept that it is difficult to relate to idiots,if they cannot process facts,but this should not determine where we set the bar.

Originally Posted by gsp follower

i think it illustrates a point nicely.
there are people who think because a 3 inch shell fits into a 2 3/4 inch chamber ''its ok''
ive run into some guys who were told thier 18 inch barrelled riot gun with buckshot was fine for geese.
kotuku was there that day and was incredulous as well as highly offended at their ignorance.
no permits either

incredulous ,read fucking angry.these frigging clowns had no bloody idea what they were doing. they boasted of going down to "blow parries away ,for fun man dont need a license" FFS Id just watched them try and tow a Quad bike out of a hole with a trail bike ,before all of them had to manhandle both out!
weapons safety -no existent shotgun tossed by one caught by another.GSPF timely arrival prevented me from really doing my scone!
ringleader "-use buckshot for everything this wee beauty(excuse me whilst i chunder)handles em all!!!!!!!"
""Im a pighunter ,got mates on a farm down south heaps of pigs ......blah blah blah"(do pigs die of laughter??????)
Now wait for it
GSPF-"is it loaded??????"

"HOW DO YOU UNLOAD IT-" yes you heard it me the dick heads response.
I took off around the offside of my truck to give myself a bloody good talking to .I honestly felt an overwhelming urge to whip in grab the fucking thing ,drop it down the close by longdrop shitter ,the grab my trusty escort and play the idiots 2step as I serenaded the wankers with FUCK off !!
whoever supplied that weapon&ammo to those imbeciles should be courtmartialled for negligence!
sorry for hijacking the thread folks but this was so dangerous i had to enlarge on it!