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I like having that extra bi of control with an ecollar -my dog has solid training and manner-most of the time and when he forgets .......

Something wich only might be usefull in "our small Belgium", but not in larger places in NZ, is safety. As our country is small we never shoot far from busy roads. The dog might be perfectly trained, I always put a collar as a safety measure to stop him in case of an unwanted chase in the direction of a dangerous road.

Agreed, my e-collars also have a beeper attached which allows the dogs to be easily located quickly in an emergency or just for peace of mind. Saved one of my dogs lives one time when she got stuck in a bad spot in a river in winter.

Originally Posted by RCGSP

Agreed, my e-collars also have a beeper attached which allows the dogs to be easily located quickly in an emergency or just for peace of mind. Saved one of my dogs lives one time when she got stuck in a bad spot in a river in winter.

Sounds like the same collars we have. We added a strobe to each of ours so we can monitor them walking in the paddocks, riverbed at night (especially thru the winter) as we just cannot excercise them enough by walking round the streets. Having a "beep, beep" and especially a Flashing light makes this easy.

Yeah same ones, Dogtra 2502s. I think you called me when you were looking at them. I have the red collar lights as well for possum shooting at night.

Originally Posted by RCGSP

Yeah same ones, Dogtra 2502s. I think you called me when you were looking at them. I have the red collar lights as well for possum shooting at night.

Yep, we added these
Tracker Flash Light

Yeah I got the same ones.

Tussock you clearly don't understand how proper e-collar training works.

There are plenty of resources online that have loads of information on e-collar training. I have no interest in converting anyone and can't be asked to explain it all to someone who just wants to tell me I'm wrong.

wow, this thread turned out to be a bit of a slagfest .

So, sticking my head above the parapet, this guys pretty good:

www.paulhutton.co.nz

We've used him, and can recommend him.


Tim

Originally Posted by RCGSP

I have no interest in converting anyone and can't be asked to explain it all to someone who just wants to tell me I'm wrong.

Exactly - this is why this thread is flawed in its entirety. Both sides will never change, sticking to methods that work for them. Why would they change, or why try and convert them?

Exactement!!

Originally Posted by kiwi39

wow, this thread turned out to be a bit of a slagfest .

So, sticking my head above the parapet, this guys pretty good:

Paul Hutton - Canine Behaviour Centre

We've used him, and can recommend him.


Tim

Damn straight, it's who trained me.

Originally Posted by Pointer

Exactly - this is why this thread is flawed in its entirety. Both sides will never change, sticking to methods that work for them. Why would they change, or why try and convert them?

Oh easy.... It's not about sides. it is about what works and what doesn't... if you analyze the thread you will see there is a "side" that gets no result, and defend that position... and then there is a side that says a result is realistic and possible... the issue is the side that wants to defend their non result as being acceptable... the reality is, given a choice, a method that works, one that even the protagonists admit doesn't work..... which one would YOU choose???

Oh yeah, and keep in mind the people who believe they know something about dogs who are desperate to demonstrate this on a forum... really, we should be asking them to demonstrate this in the field... I'll do it for anyone, many here have seen my dogs work... it may be that some who will give you false hope here cannot show you anything with an actual dog in an actual hunting situations, but that will not stop them giving you an opinion... you want to see reality... I will make time available to show you my dogs.

At the end of the day... ask the keyborad warriors to turn up with a dog, or two or three, and show you how this works.... I WILL.

Originally Posted by Ruff

Oh easy.... It's not about sides. it is about what works and what doesn't... if you analyze the thread you will see there is a "side" that gets no result, and defend that position... and then there is a side that says a result is realistic and possible... the issue is the side that wants to defend their non result as being acceptable... the reality is, given a choice, a method that works, one that even the protagonists admit doesn't work..... which one would YOU choose???

No one said they aren't getting results. In fact you could say they have to be getting results to the standard each individual requires, otherwise they would adapt their methods?