Thread: Has everyone shot their dogs and given up?

Dog might seem Ok, but what effect on confidence of pointing birds from then on??

Originally Posted by Woody

Dog might seem Ok, but what effect on confidence of pointing birds from then on??

None. You asked. Make your own mind up.

My certs have lapsed , but all of my dogs have been through aversion training, all have only had one shock and passed with no shock for every test after that

No cert no permit for us, never had any issues, and my current bitch is soft and timid, just let the trainer know that

You could try pull the wool and say its been done before so only a test needed and if shows no interest wont get a zap, say you lost your cert , did it up north or something

I kick stones at my dogs when they point birds

mine still lick pots as good as any.

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so it does work then.......... hardly the methods fault if your dog shuts down and a kiwi lives another day.

strange how a similar method works bloody well for stock training.

I would say DOC has got enough going on with. This is Tongariro our most extensively poisoned Forest in NZ. FOREST OF THE FUTURE they call it.

Signs up in the Coromandel stating 'Dogs Kill Kiwi' are often changed to 'DOC KILL KIWI' .

Originally Posted by kawhia

so it does work then.......... hardly the methods fault if your dog shuts down and a kiwi lives another day.

strange how a similar method works bloody well for stock training.

My dogs have never payed any attention to Kiwi as they don't to possums. And I have always used a dog for my work. I have killed a few kiwis as a DOC contractor when we were made to use ground trap sets while pre and post poison monitoring.

I heard on the radio the other day that the twigs and tweeters reckon that the kiwi on the main islands will be 'extinct' in fifty years...like DOC liberating kiwi in a patch of native forest in upper Hawkes Bay some years ago...they were liberating birds where there was NO LEAF MOULD, humus negliable...you cannot just whack up a fence around a patch of bush in which and through which bovines and ovines graze and camp and throw in a few kiwi...while it might make everyone involved feel warm and fuzzy, it doesn't work like that.

Wikipedia has this to say re 1080 and the kiwi...

In 2004, anti-1080 activist Phillip Anderton posed for the New Zealand media with a kiwi he claimed had been poisoned. An investigation revealed that Anderton lied to journalists and the public. He had used a kiwi that had been caught in a possum trap. Extensive monitoring shows kiwi are not at risk from the use of biodegradable 1080 poison.


The poor dog...gets blamed for most stuff...how many kiwi are eaten by humans every year? Now there's a worthy hypothesis

Originally Posted by EeeBees

I heard on the radio the other day that the twigs and tweeters reckon that the kiwi on the main islands will be 'extinct' in fifty years...like DOC liberating kiwi in a patch of native forest in upper Hawkes Bay some years ago...they were liberating birds where there was NO LEAF MOULD, humus negliable...you cannot just whack up a fence around a patch of bush in which and through which bovines and ovines graze and camp and throw in a few kiwi...while it might make everyone involved feel warm and fuzzy, it doesn't work like that.

Wikipedia has this to say re 1080 and the kiwi...

In 2004, anti-1080 activist Phillip Anderton posed for the New Zealand media with a kiwi he claimed had been poisoned. An investigation revealed that Anderton lied to journalists and the public. He had used a kiwi that had been caught in a possum trap. Extensive monitoring shows kiwi are not at risk from the use of biodegradable 1080 poison.


The poor dog...gets blamed for most stuff...how many kiwi are eaten by humans every year? Now there's a worthy hypothesis

I don't think kiwi are very good to eat. In all the research I did for the book 'Beneath the Southern Cross' I never found one statement on the quality of the flesh of kiwi. This says a lot from a race of born consumers of the flesh of nearly every creature of our forests and seas.

Feathers yes, they were much sought after. But apart from a remark about the birds flesh being musty there was no other references.

Extensive monitoring does show that Kiwi take cereal baits and 1080 has been found in Kiwi droppings.

Was the faecal matter of the bird analysed as part of a post mortem or was 1080 found in droppings...how long does it take to kill a kiwi with 1080?

Originally Posted by EeeBees

Was the faecal matter of the bird analysed as part of a post mortem or was 1080 found in droppings...how long does it take to kill a kiwi with 1080?

I don't want to get too involved in this discussion on this thread. There is plenty of evidence of 1080s effects on all birds including kiwi. Let Google be your friend here.

Kiwi are killed by brodifacoum cereal baits. Same bait just a different flavour.

Originally Posted by Scribe

I don't want to get too involved in this discussion on this thread. There is plenty of evidence of 1080s effects on all birds including kiwi. Let Google be your friend here.

Kiwi are killed by brodifacoum cereal baits. Same bait just a different flavour.

Except Brodifacoum kills over the period of about 20 days does it not? That was my understanding for possums anyway. I thought 1080 was a slightly faster version.

Originally Posted by Andrew46826

Except Brodifacoum kills over the period of about 20 days does it not? That was my understanding for possums anyway. I thought 1080 was a slightly faster version.

You are right in both cases. I was referring to the bait not the poison here.

Originally Posted by Scribe

You are right in both cases. I was referring to the bait not the poison here.

Ah rightio. We used to use Brodi then changed to Pindone for one reason or another. Never had anything to do with 1080 so it is interesting to know!