Thread: What to breed to

All this waffle El Borracho. Everyone here knows the answer to your question, and that's to put him to a pointer bitch. Best thing you could do for the setter

Originally Posted by Pointer

All this waffle El Borracho. Everyone here knows the answer to your question, and that's to put him to a pointer bitch. Best thing you could do for the setter

Poor boy, might get a disease!!!

my second choice in dogs

el borracho, re the blinking...is it really a matter of softness? I still believe it is probably lack of experience...hyperthetically, if a dog blinks a bird and the bird either flies up or runs, what does the blinker dog do? does he chase the bird, is unsteady to the flush? What happens there? Perhaps it is not a matter of softness but undeveloped prey drive.


You didnt answer my questions...

a dog that has been handled too hard around birds can be taught to blink game.
but inexperience can also produced a missed game incident that could be wrongly termed blinked.

Originally Posted by kawhia

a dog that has been handled too hard around birds can be taught to blink game.
but inexperience can also produced a missed game incident that could be wrongly termed blinked.

But he isnt being taught, though is he, it is more a response, yes? How do you mean handled too hard? I do not see that if your dog has good prey drive where is the need to be hard on him...if he locks on point and is steady, how could a handler jeopardise this?

Originally Posted by EeeBees

But he isnt being taught, though is he, it is more a response, yes? How do you mean handled too hard? I do not see that if your dog has good prey drive where is the need to be hard on him...if he locks on point and is steady, how could a handler jeopardise this?

depends on the standed of control your after , some are fine with a dog that will run in when your approaching some are not fussed with steady to shot or flush , over or miss handling when trying to get these things my result in a dog that blinks game

just because a dog locks on point does not mean its steady , can you walk circles around your dog when its on point ??
(edit to add) the resin i ask, because if they are not,,, how will you correct them so you can walk around them,,,,,, with out them thinking your correcting them for being on point ??............. thats a example of how you can train a dog to blink game

Originally Posted by Kaimaicockher

depends on the standed of control your after , some are fine with a dog that will run in when your approaching some are not fussed with steady to shot or flush , over or miss handling when trying to get these things my result in a dog that blinks game

just because a dog locks on point does not mean its steady , can you walk circles around your dog when its on point ??
(edit to add) the resin i ask, because if they are not,,, how will you correct them so you can walk around them,,,,,, with out them thinking your correcting them for being on point ??............. thats a example of how you can train a dog to blink game

Agree entirely Danny! You couldn't have worded it better!

Originally Posted by Kaimaicockher

depends on the standed of control your after , some are fine with a dog that will run in when your approaching some are not fussed with steady to shot or flush , over or miss handling when trying to get these things my result in a dog that blinks game

just because a dog locks on point does not mean its steady , can you walk circles around your dog when its on point ??
(edit to add) the resin i ask, because if they are not,,, how will you correct them so you can walk around them,,,,,, with out them thinking your correcting them for being on point ??............. thats a example of how you can train a dog to blink game

How would you correct this flaw? Maybe it has more to do with prey drive afterall and not about softness...to answer your question, I can walk around my dog when she is on point...

Originally Posted by EeeBees

How would you correct this flaw? Maybe it has more to do with prey drive afterall and not about softness...to answer your question, I can walk around my dog when she is on point...

Kaimaicockher nailed it, nothing to do with prey drive or softness, although a softer dog may be predisposed to it, I can't answer that one. The reason why people use a long line to stop a dog chasing at the flush was twofold, firstly the obvious one, it makes it easier to get your dog back, and the most important one, to stop you using voice or whistle. When the dog hits the end of the check cord at full speed, he associates the cartwheel he has just involuntarily done with the chase, as opposed to you stopping him by whistle or reprimanding him at the flush, which he may associate with game. From what I am told, once you have create a blinker, it can be hard to fix, often easier to start again.

At trials, are observers allowed?

Yes, they are and some, well, most judges are usually happy to allow people to walk behind them when the judging is being done...

Originally Posted by EeeBees

Yes, they are and some, well, most judges are usually happy to allow people to walk behind them when the judging is being done...

Sounds cool EeeBees. This thread is really interesting to me. I'd love to see some dogs work, I'll have to visit one of the north island dog enthusiasts to watch the real deal one day!

Originally Posted by Dougie

Sounds cool EeeBees. This thread is really interesting to me. I'd love to see some dogs work, I'll have to visit one of the north island dog enthusiasts to watch the real deal one day!

Dougie the North Island Trial Champs are being held in Hawkes Bay this year October 13-14...what happens is that the SI Champs are held, then the NIs then the NZs 20 -21st October at Atiamuri. As the NZs are hosted in respective islands alternatively, if the NZs are in the South Island, then the NIs are held first, then the SIs along with the NZs. These champs include the Pointer and Setter (of which the HPRs as in Germans Wire Hairs, Vizsla, German Shorthairs, Weimeraner, etc, are included), then there are the Spaniels, then the Retrievers as in Labradors, Chessapeakes, Golden Retrievers, Flat coat Retrievers etc. If anyone was thinking of getting a gundog breed these events do provide a good opportunity to see how the breeds work etc.

Originally Posted by EeeBees

Dougie the North Island Trial Champs are being held in Hawkes Bay this year October 13-14...what happens is that the SI Champs are held, then the NIs then the NZs 20 -21st October at Atiamuri. As the NZs are hosted in respective islands alternatively, if the NZs are in the South Island, then the NIs are held first, then the SIs along with the NZs. These champs include the Pointer and Setter (of which the HPRs as in Germans Wire Hairs, Vizsla, German Shorthairs, Weimeraner, etc, are included), then there are the Spaniels, then the Retrievers as in Labradors, Chessapeakes, Golden Retrievers, Flat coat Retrievers etc. If anyone was thinking of getting a gundog breed these events do provide a good opportunity to see how the breeds work etc.

Just my luck, I'll be off playing toy soldiers during that time I think. I might be able to catch the last day.

My thoughts exactly about thinking about a working dog - hubby likes Vizslas. I have one in a puppy class, holy crap that dog is on speed or something. She is a wimp but tries to compensate for it by being dog and people aggressive. Her owners purchased her from a photo....oh dear. Anyway I digress.

Have you heard of a Newfoundland Retriever or something like that? The main trainer at my club has three, they are small like a Brittney size, very very soft coat (not a double coat I don't think), and her three are all a lovely peach and white colour similar to a red collie. Are these used much for work?