Thread: Photos of your dog

yanky dog ?............ but hang on it's a pointer isn't it ?

Originally Posted by kawhia

yanky dog ?............ but hang on it's a pointer isn't it ?

I can't see the pic, but if you have put an American bred pointer up then yes, regardless of how it carries its tail, its a pointer. The tail is mere fashion.
If I were to be anal, you could say that the American FDSB strain is purer than the UK strain, considering it is founded by only a few founding imports and refined for well over one hundred years within a single country.
As an interesting side note, after WW2 when the UK were rebuilding the decimated native pointer breed with imports from around the world, there were many that came from the US in the 1940s. None of them had a natural high tail

Originally Posted by Pointer

I can't see the pic, but if you have put an American bred pointer up then yes, regardless of how it carries its tail, its a pointer. The tail is mere fashion.
If I were to be anal, you could say that the American FDSB strain is purer than the UK strain, considering it is founded by only a few founding imports and refined for well over one hundred years within a single country.
As an interesting side note, after WW2 when the UK were rebuilding the decimated native pointer breed with imports from around the world, there were many that came from the US in the 1940s. None of them had a natural high tail

so it's fair to say they are different types of the same breed, how the breeds change within the various countries is often followed by a name change of some sort and a separation of the working abilities and even appearance from the parent country.
fair to say the yanks have there own type of 'pointer' and refer to the english version as such an 'english pointer' the dogs of the 1940's were still 'english' type, the american pointers of today have evolved for the types of trials and working enviroments there.

the same rings true for the gsp / dk

Originally Posted by RCGSP

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Love it!!

Originally Posted by RCGSP

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Thats cool!

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Thats is a great shot !!! and is explanation for its self for a 12 pm tail

i dont know why my dogs tail doesnt stand at a 12 oclck position, and i dont know why the amaerican bred pointers tails do, so please tell us why

I would go as far to say in all sporting breeds there are different types. My point was, regardless of where you go, they all call them pointers. Referring to one as an "english show pointer" and another "FDSB all-age pointer" is as much a word game as calling one dog a GSP and another a DK. All that says to me is one was born and probably tested in Germany, the other wasn't.

Originally Posted by Pointer

I would go as far to say in all sporting breeds there are different types. My point was, regardless of where you go, they all call them pointers. Referring to one as an "english show pointer" and another "FDSB all-age pointer" is as much a word game as calling one dog a GSP and another a DK. All that says to me is one was born and probably tested in Germany, the other wasn't.

no one said anything about 'show' now your the one playing with words lol.
i give you a bit more credit in regards to your dog knowledge than to state the difference is only in the place of birth.

Originally Posted by kawhia

no one said anything about 'show' now your the one playing with words lol.
i give you a bit more credit in regards to your dog knowledge than to state the difference is only in the place of birth.

I agree with you one hundred per cent in divergence in type. I used 'Show' and 'FDSB all-age" to illustrate that the divergence is great in pointers, as it appears to be in the GSP. However, is that divergent enough to warrant a name change? I think not - ultimately they are the same breed, just different strains. You as a cocker man would know all about divergence in type

Originally Posted by RCGSP

Personally I could give a crap less what they're called though having owned American pointers I do believe they are a separate breed from English pointers. They don't even look alike.

When we catch up I'll show you some pictures of early UK stuff, it's remarkably similar.

I am glad you don't buy into name thing. What you have brought in ultimately will be judged and remembered by its performance, not what it was called. I am very interested in seeing how they go here

Originally Posted by Pointer

However, is that divergent enough to warrant a name change? I think not - ultimately they are the same breed, just different strains. You as a cocker man would know all about divergence in type

actually yes it was enough to warrant a name change, as a cocker man even, ever heard of an amercan cocker spaniel, cause i have.
bulldogs,staffies various types of terriers and hounds all of english decent now have an american version.

anyhow back to the thread................. great pics hori

What's a DK?