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I has a really interesting conversation with a person today in the shop... one of the more knowledgeable dog people in NZ I would say and always really amicable to offer a balanced opinion whether...

This is where these discussion have huge merit for me... the polarize and define my thinking into a way I can articulate....


P&S Trials 25 years ago were run by, were run with and the results...

Or "Tweed wearing tosser"


Oh shivers... i shoudn;t have.. but I did... sorry Brian :D

For the record, i respect the hell out of how passionate about this you are... wrong as all get out, but...

It's more about how he set about, because he was truly serious, finding what good stock was really out there... in the end he created the very small scene you guys are all playin g in.. don;t mean...

No one has found a way to breed fitness yet :D

I must also add that this is not a generalisation of everyone involved in versatile tests. I have respect for and admire many of the people trying to make the best of them... off the record they all...

In case my point is misunderstood, I am very much an advocate of trials, which is why I have attended them for close to 30 years... I am just pointing out we may have lost some direction... nothing...

Yes they can be great, in a generic way... you cannot breed for specific traits with such crosses... line breeding to specific traits within specific breeds is what has created the breeds. When you...

Brick will be ther on monday :D

Simple mate. work with good dogs... these forums have a lot of people telling us what is a good dog and the modern age has people who do nothing wanting an answer from a forum... that won;t happen/ ...

In the gem world I cannot tell a diamond from CS... In the dog world one will stand out... I don;t believe the many can use trials as a benchmark anymore... not because of their dogs, but because of...

Ummm not being cute, but you read Leon's book aye? :P

No where did I say they were the only breeding tool... in fact my point is/was they are not a very efficient breeding tools anymore... even though that is/was their primary purpose.

You can choose...

I get that... my point is this... the test is designed to test hunting dogs, yet few hunting dogs do the tests... we, meaning people who are obessed with gundogs, need to open our minds a little more...

yes!

OK to p-ut it context i would rather spend time discussing improving dogs.. not politics... I think the discussion could be focused on how to get more hunters with dogs involved... sadly,...

I didn;t say no one at trials was breeding good dogs... i said the trials themselves were no longer much of a breeding tool. By that I mean that is meant to be their intended purpose... but it...

I don;t think so... what the f do you stand for???... anything but online shit stirring???... I stand for better dogs. end of story... get it?

Ok, smart arse, what do you think my agenda is???......

Look guys, I know it might not appear that way but here's the rub... for the very reasons outlined I AM A FAN OF TRIALS.... I AM A HUGE FAN OF THE CONCEPT OF THE VERSATILE TESTS!

I also take a...

I understand your point but the argument is that trials and tests are primarily there to identify the best breeding stock... as a second cross from crossbreeds doesn;t usually breed true it kind of...

To be fair I have always had and still do have a lot of respect for Gail and what she does for her breed... I've never said a word against her or anything she has bred, for whatever reason she chose...

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I agree, it's why I don;t underline anything.

Why would anyone think wanting better testing for better gundogs was a bad thing? and secondly, under any circumstance, please don;t piss on me...b :ORLY:

You sleeping with one of them or are ya...

Thank you Brian for attempting to bring the rhetoric out... you have succeeded and I will help decipher it for you and everyone... and here is why...

I am about better dogs for hunters. YES, REAL...

Wirehunt, I understand where you come from, but understand where I COME FROM....I am for hunting dogs for hunters... this is often clouded by doggie people for doggie people playing hunting dogs...