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    I can attest to that. We (Wanganui) were 1 of the trial brigades with APR Filters. There ok but they're hard work to wear, you know you've been wearing 1 after half an hour. They're to be worn whenever conducting overhaul until deemed safe by testing with Multi Gas Detector, or any situation of heavy smoke presence, such as rural fire. Not to be worn in place of BA.

    I cant see there will be mass resignations but it remains unclear what the current Rural role will be.

    Its not going to be all beer and skittles thats fore sure. Devil will be in the detail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reindeer View Post
    I can attest to that. We (Wanganui) were 1 of the trial brigades with APR Filters. There ok but they're hard work to wear, you know you've been wearing 1 after half an hour. They're to be worn whenever conducting overhaul until deemed safe by testing with Multi Gas Detector, or any situation of heavy smoke presence, such as rural fire. Not to be worn in place of BA.

    I cant see there will be mass resignations but it remains unclear what the current Rural role will be.



    Its not going to be all beer and skittles thats fore sure. Devil will be in the detail.

    I believe they are looking at a better alternative

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    Without wanting to preempt anything, The NZFS ERD (Emergency Response Driver) driving course teachers you how to prevent getting into a skid rather than controlling one. Defensive driving.
    The crew have a right to tell the driver to slow down but cannot tell them to speed up.

    Be interesting to see what comes of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reindeer View Post
    I can attest to that. We (Wanganui) were 1 of the trial brigades with APR Filters. There ok but they're hard work to wear, you know you've been wearing 1 after half an hour. They're to be worn whenever conducting overhaul until deemed safe by testing with Multi Gas Detector, or any situation of heavy smoke presence, such as rural fire. Not to be worn in place of BA.

    I cant see there will be mass resignations but it remains unclear what the current Rural role will be.

    Its not going to be all beer and skittles thats fore sure. Devil will be in the detail.
    Interesting... The designated P3-protection-standard masks have much reduced resistance to exhale (at a slightly higher risk for toxic substance draw back into the mask cavity) than the Draeger BA mask on the current two NZFS ba sets. Even trying to work in the Draeger BA masks without the supplied air reg in place is borderline dangerous, and more than bloody hard work. I've got the PS3000 ba sets at work (same mask and cylinder gear as the PS5000 with a lighter backplate and straps) and also the Draeger P3 mask like the one pictured above. I would not want to be doing any hard work in either option...

    If the mask pictured above is the same as trialled, I would have thought that a $65-odd filter would be far more expensive than a couple of air fills on a BA set...

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    @Mauser308 The pictures shown by sako75 Pic 1. We are not looking at these at a option, think that was tongue and cheek. Pic 2. That is a Panarama Nova mask, not used by NZFS. We Use FPS 7000 masks with integrated coms.
    I'm not sure what you mean by the two sets we,nzfs, use? NZFS only use 1 type of set since 2012, Draeger PSS5000.
    Air reg, mate its not a dive set, Lung demand valve I guess is what you are talking about. The regulator is in the backplate.
    Your assumption that that its borderline dangerous is unfounded. Anyone who is to wear a BA mask with a APR filter is to have,done prior, a mask face fit test. Essentially a negative pressure test to see if your face fits the mask in a negative pressure setting.
    I hear what you are saying about cost but they are intended to be use where full SCBA is not a, practical or b, obstructive where mildly irespirable atmosphere's are present such as overhaul after structures and vege fires.
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    the motueka boys were very lucky
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    doesn't look like much cab damage
    If i could have a full time job shooting pests i'm up for over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpy View Post
    the motueka boys were very lucky
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    @stumpy I wounder if the new MAN appliance would fair as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reindeer View Post
    @Mauser308 The pictures shown by sako75 Pic 1. We are not looking at these at a option, think that was tongue and cheek. Pic 2. That is a Panarama Nova mask, not used by NZFS. We Use FPS 7000 masks with integrated coms.
    I'm not sure what you mean by the two sets we,nzfs, use? NZFS only use 1 type of set since 2012, Draeger PSS5000.
    Air reg, mate its not a dive set, Lung demand valve I guess is what you are talking about. The regulator is in the backplate.
    Your assumption that that its borderline dangerous is unfounded. Anyone who is to wear a BA mask with a APR filter is to have,done prior, a mask face fit test. Essentially a negative pressure test to see if your face fits the mask in a negative pressure setting.
    I hear what you are saying about cost but they are intended to be use where full SCBA is not a, practical or b, obstructive where mildly irespirable atmosphere's are present such as overhaul after structures and vege fires.
    7000 mask, PS5000 and then the PS7000 with the bloody telemetry kit - so two distinct sets bro. Both sets in NZFS use are configured with the optional FPS comms kit - we don't run the FPS comms kit on the 7000 masks on our work sets and the masks are noticeably lighter and more comfortable to wear.

    It wasn't the Nova mask shown either, it's the later 6000 industrial type with the DIN40 filter setup (identified by the colour code system peculiar to those filters). I have one of them here at home that I use in industry - very different internal setup with much lighter check valve construction to give reduced inhalation effort and exhalation resistance.

    Also, by air reg system I was referring to the whole kit 1st stage in the backplate as well as the LDV - I'm a construction diver for a day job as well as a SSBA air technician and diving helmet tech so apologies for the use of industrial terminology at times.

    I'm not getting into a pissing contest over my statements as I have the charts for breathing resistance etc. here as part of what I do on a daily basis. I live and breathe this no pun intended - and the valving system in the FPS7000-style or the older Scott (Sabre) Panavision is designed to function under positive pressure only, there is too much respiratory dead space and increase in breathing effort when there is only a filter attached. The only BA sets that come out configured like that (passive filtration) from factory are the Scott/Sabre Flites and a couple of other airline entry sets - and the filter fits directly into the side of the mask with a seperate checkvalve system. The filter is only intended to be used for emergency exit in the event of a supplied air system failure and the filter is plugged during normal supplied-air use.

    What I'm basically saying is that it's no assumption by me that it's borderline dangerous running the supplied-air or positive-pressure type masks in a passive filtration mode - we've tried it in an industrial setting and come to the realisation that it isn't safe enough for us to warrant using them. We either run supplied air ssba - OR purpose-designed passive filtration masks in either P2 or P3 (full face) configuration. We found that the guys reported an increase in headaches, heat illness and were generally rooted at the end of the stint whereas production was higher using the supplied-air or positive-pressure gear and the guys came out happy to go back in for another run. Running guys to the point of heat stress as a standard operating procedure isn't safe. This is all heavy industrial work in confined space rated for P3 respiratory protection levels or higher...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reindeer View Post
    @stumpy I wounder if the new MAN appliance would fair as well?
    well , until the vollies crash one of them as well , we will just have to wait ....
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    I think our series 3 Scania fared reasonably well when the perms in Auckland rolled it, apart from the cab having a pronounced twist you wouldn't know. 20-mumble years and still going strong apart from up hills - we are almost at the point of getting out and running beside the thing to save some weight...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mauser308 View Post
    I think our series 3 Scania fared reasonably well when the perms in Auckland rolled it, apart from the cab having a pronounced twist you wouldn't know. 20-mumble years and still going strong apart from up hills - we are almost at the point of getting out and running beside the thing to save some weight...
    well it would go faster if you didnt fill the entire cab up with people , ..... its like watching a guiness book of records attempt , when a vollie truck turns ,
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    only carry crew that match the number of seatbelts, those that miss out carpool.
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