the125grn ballistic tips kill deer deader than a dead thing at bush ranges when pushed out of the wee 7.62x39mm case..bang flop type dead.
so do speer 130grn HP......
either when pushed fast from .308 make big messses and kill fast,they both work well not quite so fast too....ideal for lighter recoiling load. BUT being the contrary fella I am....I would suggest you go both routes at same time..... 180grn round nose at mild velocity gives a shove not a boot..the winchester 180grn factory load is awesome bush load....... so go heavy at mild speed for up close and work up a good accurate lighter load...so that when you do see that deer at 250yards across gully,you can slip in lighter load and be confident of hitting and killing cleanly while still keeping recoil mild.
roberts 151 HPs work well at subsonic but much better a little faster.
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