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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarvo View Post
    I have had the offer of a Rifle Range not to far from here - so I think I should sightin to the best of my ability and then go there and get someone to long range shoot for me (and waste a bit of lead myself for the fun of it)
    No. I would suggest that you need to see where YOU hit at 200 not the other person. I have found in the past that what is set up as bang on for me will have a different point of impact for someone else. (technique, consistency even where you put your eye all have a minor effect) For sighting in I use as much bracing or steadys that I can like proper rests, and so on. This takes your wobble out as much as possible and confirms where you are shooting. If you wobble enough that this is not possible then I would have to suggest that you wont be in a condition to shoot at an animal at that range either. Bear in mind that while you are aiming at a smaller target, as long as you can hit an A4 page or a dinner plate consistently, that is as accurate as you need. If you get to sa distance that you cannot keep all you shots on that page, that is your range that you are capable of a clean hit in an animal. Any further is spray and pray and ethically getting into dodgy habits. I always remind shooters that your range of accuracy is more important than the rifles accuracy. 1 MOA means 5 shades of F all if you give the rifle to a 2 VHA shooter (Very Huge Angle...)

    Personally I do not see it as a waste of ammo to practise.

    I can now shoot reasonably well but I used to struggle to hit a barn door from inside a barn made of doors....

    Windage is easy.It is the left right version of the elevation turret on your scope. Adjusting elevation is the up/down turret, and windage is the left/right adjustment. While it is pronounced windage as in win-dige it can help to think of it as not as wind as in it is windy outside but as in to wind a clock) Whine-dige (bloody stupid english language....why did I not learn another one when I was younger? Now I am stuck with this one)
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    Quote Originally Posted by timattalon View Post
    No. I would suggest that you need to see where YOU hit at 200 not the other person. I have found in the past that what is set up as bang on for me will have a different point of impact for someone else. (technique, consistency even where you put your eye all have a minor effect) For sighting in I use as much bracing or steadys that I can like proper rests, and so on. This takes your wobble out as much as possible and confirms where you are shooting. If you wobble enough that this is not possible then I would have to suggest that you wont be in a condition to shoot at an animal at that range either. Bear in mind that while you are aiming at a smaller target, as long as you can hit an A4 page or a dinner plate consistently, that is as accurate as you need. If you get to sa distance that you cannot keep all you shots on that page, that is your range that you are capable of a clean hit in an animal. Any further is spray and pray and ethically getting into dodgy habits. I always remind shooters that your range of accuracy is more important than the rifles accuracy. 1 MOA means 5 shades of F all if you give the rifle to a 2 VHA shooter (Very Huge Angle...)

    Personally I do not see it as a waste of ammo to practise.

    I can now shoot reasonably well but I used to struggle to hit a barn door from inside a barn made of doors....

    Windage is easy.It is the left right version of the elevation turret on your scope. Adjusting elevation is the up/down turret, and windage is the left/right adjustment. While it is pronounced windage as in win-dige it can help to think of it as not as wind as in it is windy outside but as in to wind a clock) Whine-dige (bloody stupid english language....why did I not learn another one when I was younger? Now I am stuck with this one)
    I hear what you are saying and others on here about shooting to "one’s own" capability
    You see - on animals I have no problem
    I would never shoot at a moving animal or one on the edge of bush/scrub over 100m - only one that was in open terrain and more than likely with someone as back up over 200m

    So - not trying to discredit your comments above - but you say ""I use as much bracing or steadys that I can like proper rests""
    That isn’t going to be the case out in the wilds shooting at animals – if you get my point.

    As I said above I have shoot rifle & gun for 55 years now
    I have never been good at target shooting apart from Trap (shotgun) competitions

    However - I would have shot in excess of 5000 animals in my time and apart from a timeframe with a Mini14 that had the old Wichita base system that was a complete arse - I rarely a wounded animal.

    What I still do not understand (call me stupid or just call me dumb) but if I can hit a 20c piece consistently at say 40m (my max comfort distance for sighting in) why should that shot be way off out at 150 - 200
    If I get the formula for rise correct at 40m (say 1.5" low of bull) it should be a killable shot out to 200m ???

    It’s been an interesting read on this thread and I will be trying a few options mentioned that I can do myself here in my limited terrain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarvo View Post
    I hear what you are saying and others on here about shooting to "one’s own" capability
    You see - on animals I have no problem
    I would never shoot at a moving animal or one on the edge of bush/scrub over 100m - only one that was in open terrain and more than likely with someone as back up over 200m

    So - not trying to discredit your comments above - but you say ""I use as much bracing or steadys that I can like proper rests""
    That isn’t going to be the case out in the wilds shooting at animals – if you get my point. When sighting in you are trying to line the scope up with the barrel so where you point it is where it goes. By taking as much "operator error" out of the equation, you ensure that where the crosshair is, the barrel is pointing at the same point. For practising and improving shooting, then I wholeheartedly agree that you should practise the positions that you will be using in the field. Sighting in I want my rifle as close to perfect as I can get it, but for shooting targets, plinking and technique, I shoot as though I am in the field.

    As I said above I have shoot rifle & gun for 55 years now If you are confident at making the shot then you should be easily capable of sighting a rifle in. But if you are not comfortable of hitting targets at that range, you should not be taking shots at animals at the same. I only mentioned that because you stated "I just CANNOT shoot/sight a rifle in past 60m anymore" in your post on page 2. This lead me to think you were saying you cannot hit targets at that range. Sighting in is exxentially pointing the barrel (POI) and the cross in the scope at the same place.
    I have never been good at target shooting apart from Trap (shotgun) competitionsMate, I cannot hit the barn from the inside with a shotgun....but I am confident with rifles and hit rabbits running with my 22.

    However - I would have shot in excess of 5000 animals in my time and apart from a timeframe with a Mini14 that had the old Wichita base system that was a complete arse - I rarely a wounded animal.

    What I still do not understand (call me stupid or just call me dumb) but if I can hit a 20c piece consistently at say 40m (my max comfort distance for sighting in) why should that shot be way off out at 150 - 200 Not stupid at all. It shouldn't be way off. If you can keep the group to an inch at 40 metres, then at 200 the group size should be about 5 to 6 inches which is an adequate for a confident kill shot at that range. Even on smaller animals like goats
    If I get the formula for rise correct at 40m (say 1.5" low of bull) it should be a killable shot out to 200m ???

    It’s been an interesting read on this thread and I will be trying a few options mentioned that I can do myself here in my limited terrain.
    Best method I saw was a Clock target. If you aim to be about an inch high at 100 metres and abut 0 at 200 or even 175 metres, then you picture the 10" clock on the anmal kill zone. If you aim at the point halfway between centre and the 12 the POI will rise from just above centre at the muzzle to about an inch below the 12 at peak (around 100m drop down to the aiming point at 175m and will be about the centre of the clock by 220m dropping to halfway to the bottom by around the 250m. This allows for a 5 inch group at 250m and still theoretically still have all the group inside the 10" clock face. This 10" circle is also about the size of a kill zone on a deer.

    And with the reference to Stupid. I only have one point to make. The ONLY stupid question there can be is the one that was not asked. You strike me as a smart individual who is seeking to work out something they cannot quite get their head around and I will never criticise anyone for looking for answers. None of us will ever have all the answers, and the best way to find out something is to ask someone who has the answer to your question. I can only hope I was able to help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timattalon View Post
    No. I would suggest that you need to see where YOU hit at 200 not the other person. I have found in the past that what is set up as bang on for me will have a different point of impact for someone else. (technique, consistency even where you put your eye all have a minor effect) For sighting in I use as much bracing or steadys that I can like proper rests, and so on. This takes your wobble out as much as possible and confirms where you are shooting. If you wobble enough that this is not possible then I would have to suggest that you wont be in a condition to shoot at an animal at that range either. Bear in mind that while you are aiming at a smaller target, as long as you can hit an A4 page or a dinner plate consistently, that is as accurate as you need. If you get to sa distance that you cannot keep all you shots on that page, that is your range that you are capable of a clean hit in an animal. Any further is spray and pray and ethically getting into dodgy habits. I always remind shooters that your range of accuracy is more important than the rifles accuracy. 1 MOA means 5 shades of F all if you give the rifle to a 2 VHA shooter (Very Huge Angle...)

    Personally I do not see it as a waste of ammo to practise.

    I can now shoot reasonably well but I used to struggle to hit a barn door from inside a barn made of doors....

    Windage is easy.It is the left right version of the elevation turret on your scope. Adjusting elevation is the up/down turret, and windage is the left/right adjustment. While it is pronounced windage as in win-dige it can help to think of it as not as wind as in it is windy outside but as in to wind a clock) Whine-dige (bloody stupid english language....why did I not learn another one when I was younger? Now I am stuck with this one)
    I hear what you are saying and others on here about shooting to "one’s own" capability
    You see - on animals I have no problem
    I would never shoot at a moving animal or one on the edge of bush/scrub over 100m - only one that was in open terrain and more than likely with someone as back up over 200m

    So - not trying to discredit your comments above - but you say ""I use as much bracing or steadys that I can like proper rests""
    That isn’t going to be the case out in the wilds shooting at animals – if you get my point.

    As I said above I have shoot rifle & gun for 55 years now
    I have never been good at target shooting apart from Trap (shotgun) competitions

    However - I would have shot in excess of 5000 animals in my time and apart from a timeframe with a Mini14 that had the old Wichita base system that was a complete arse - I rarely had a wounded animal.

    What I still do not understand (call me stupid or just call me dumb) but if I can hit a 20c piece consistently at say 40m (my max comfort distance for sighting in) why should that shot be way off out at 150 - 200
    If I get the formula for rise correct at 40m (say 1.5" low of bull) it should be a killable shot out to 200m ???

    It’s been an interesting read on this thread and I will be trying a few options mentioned that I can do myself here in my limited terrain.

    Big thanks to all – something I do not mind admitting is – you (me for sure) never stop learning something new even as an oldie

 

 

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