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    Quote Originally Posted by gundoc View Post
    Yep! I made one similar except it had a screw-locked breech and a simple spring-loaded firing pin. It was made in less than 1/2 an hour from standard pipe fittings and was used in a court case a few years ago. I fired it several times and it is now gracing the office wall of a well-known firearms dealer.
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    Have occasionally mused over making one myself, in 410 g to be safer with the pressures. Would have a very small footprint in the gun safe and provide a potential use for my .303 splitneck cases. The main challenge is a simple safety, since a complex safety defeats the idea of the simple build. Of course, "Don't load until ready to fire" does meet that requirement... o-:>

    Anyway, I'm curious, what did your half-hour Sumpak get used to illustrate to the Court?
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    It was used to illustrate a point in a case that was brought over the theoretical 'manufacture' of a firearm by converting a blank-firing pistol. The Police were concerned that such 'pot metal' things could be converted to fire live ammo. My water pipe gun was to demonstrate how easily almost any innocuous thing could become the basis of a firearm with the appropriate basic skills and knowledge. I also pointed out to the judge that I could convert the tubular steel witness chair into a 'multi-barreled firearm' in less than an hour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gundoc View Post
    It was used to illustrate a point in a case that was brought over the theoretical 'manufacture' of a firearm by converting a blank-firing pistol. The Police were concerned that such 'pot metal' things could be converted to fire live ammo. My water pipe gun was to demonstrate how easily almost any innocuous thing could become the basis of a firearm with the appropriate basic skills and knowledge. I also pointed out to the judge that I could convert the tubular steel witness chair into a 'multi-barreled firearm' in less than an hour.
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    LOL. The judge from that day noticed that chair every time he looked in that direction, I bet. Life could never be the same again... unless of course they got in a replacement wooden witness chair.

    Yes, I recall the police arms code had a rather strict view of what was a firearm, something like basically anything that could be converted into a firearm. A heck of a lot of discretionary power of interpretation that would give the police if that was law.

    Back over 20yrs ago, my brother had a Beretta M9 lookalike 8mm blank firer. Pretty sturdy metal built it appeared. Only used for blanks. He must have fired less than 100 blanks before its receiver cracked just to the rear of the barrel, crack going diagonally downward and back on the left hand side. Yes, looked impressive, but pot metal all the same.

    That said, have heard of some PPK 8mm blank firers being converted in the UK to fire steel ball bearings, there was actually a setup who had done about 50 of them and selling them on -- and that in a country where the punishment for getting caught doing that sort of thing is ... hefty. Two UK cops actually visited the original ?Italian blank firer manufacturer and asked them to stop exporting the particular blank firer to the UK. No overt threats made, but they listened. Can't really see the crap things firing anything stronger than .25acp. We've all heard .25acp can be stopped by a winter coat, but few wear heavy woolen overcoats these days... )-:
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    Not Beretta M9, but M92
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    Not Beretta M9, but M92.

    Anyway the fact that blank firers CAN be converted to fire some form of live rounds, is of course not the point. The point is that, though it can be done it is difficult to do, and rare. As such, a law (or policy) targeting blank firers is ineffective at crime prevention.

    Similar, the US federal judge who granted a recent legal stay on a California ban on >10 round AR mags, noted for instance that at a recent shooting no-one sought to rush the shooter when he swapped magazines. Limiting him to 10 round mags (if one could have done so) would have made no difference.
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    Sorry to go off track again. But my kids are in Laos and have asked if anyone knows some sights to see, things to do in the south of Laos?
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    @7mmwsm @LBD

    That is on track in fairness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7mmwsm View Post
    Sorry to go off track again. But my kids are in Laos and have asked if anyone knows some sights to see, things to do in the south of Laos?
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    Jeff
    Plain of Jars, 4000 islands, Luang Prabang-Kuanga Si Waterfalls, Vang Vieng (party), Vientiane (all the museums have a very interesting communist slant on them). They could also to the "The Loop" scooter ride.
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    Thanks again paddy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7mmwsm View Post
    Sorry to go off track again. But my kids are in Laos and have asked if anyone knows some sights to see, things to do in the south of Laos?
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    Jeff
    South Of Laos... pop over the border to Seim Reip and check out Ankor Wat...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LBD View Post
    South Of Laos... pop over the border to Seim Reip and check out Ankor Wat...
    Cheers. But they are back home now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A330driver View Post
    Spent a lot of time in Laos,and saw a lot of Chinese knockoffs.....paddy,...I flew in a bunch of yanks,they were contracted by the Laos Govt to take water samples of the Mekong,they had a lot of equipment.Met them back in ho chi min a few weeks later,had a chinwaggle with them about the water quality,they said it was off the scale.

    The surprising revelation from them was the amount or arsenic and other deadly chemicals,in the water,used in illegal gold mining operations that locals had set up,.....care to comment on that,??,never actually saw any myself,and tramped all over the place.Interested to hear your thoughts on that.

    The yanks told me the water (Mekong)was very polluted,even the so called “clean” water had sizable amounts(ppm)of excessive chemicals.I managed to get crook a few times over there,.....could shit through the eye of a needle at 20 paces and not even touch the sides,all due to water contamination
    @A330driver the stories i could tell. I don't really want to respond to this on a public forum given that we are currently still doing some work and trying to get another contract through the client. If you are interested pm me.
    Regarding getting crook guts. That was weekly to fortnightly. There is a saying "It is a brave man who farts in Laos". Let's just say I am a bit gun shy even being back in NZ/Aussie...

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    Yeah mate ..I get it... will PM you....wasn’t trying to bait you but it’s so fucking bad I don’t know how they live with themselves
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