Thread: World Record Red Deer!!!!......according to an American

Gussy B is just doing his job mate. He knows where it is at. I have and will hunt with him anytime. He is handy shooting from a machine as well.

Undoubtedly most of our original release bloodlines have been altered by escape and other releases to some extent.

My question is.
If one of these stags(probably die) or there offspring were released truly wild what would they likely develop head wise?
Would they be smaller lighter timber, points all over the place like a mad women's shit.
Or smaller lighter timber more traditional looking?

I think the former.

What say you lot?

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Undoubtedly most of our original release bloodlines have been altered by escape and other releases to some extent.

My question is.
If one of these stags(probably die) or there offspring were released truly wild what would they likely develop head wise?
Would they be smaller lighter timber, points all over the place like a mad women's shit.
Or smaller lighter timber more traditional looking?

I think the former.

What say you lot?

VC the access to good feed would be a large determinant in this scenario but it is likely the head would Still tend toward the mad woman's shit but just with fewer points.

Does the enviroment do much to the head.

I can't imagine a stag with a head like that doing to well in proper bush

Originally Posted by Toby

Does the enviroment do much to the head.

Hell yes.

Toby, a classic example of what the environment does to heads and the size of the animals is to see the Stewart Island Whitetail (nutrition, nutrition)...in comparison, the whitetails I saw in Manitoba and Ontario are huge animals...I had the privilege of viewing a guy's Whitetail trophies...they were utterly fantastic...and they were not 'hedgehog' heads, but the real classic numbers...a friend of mine in upland Quebec, shot a two and a half year old whitetail stag...120 pounds of meat!

A thought relating to toby's. Obviously the gene pool would have somethin to do with it too, but I wonder if part of the reason kaimai heads are so small is to do with the thick bush. Whether by natural selection (big heads were a survival disadvantage because they get tangled in suple jack) or by something else like the response of the antler to stunt growth in velvet when it gets battered around in the thick stuff so much.

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Hey guys i am new to the form, as well as deer hunting but just wanted to share my unique perspective on what a "trophy stag" is. In my opinion measuring the trophy value of a stag through the length and arrangement of the two bones poking out of its skull is a very primitive method of judging the true value of the animal. Instead i believe that the success of a particular hunt should be judged on the experience the hunter gains, and enjoyment of the meat he/ she harvests.

It seems Alien to me why many American hunters would want to come to a country that they probably would otherwise never have visited, to be lead up to and knock over a "trophy stag" that in my opinion has been breed solely for this purpose. Whats more is that they would then go and use a mathematical equation to measure the animals worth , before taking it home and dangling it off there wall in memory of a great "hunt".

Just my personal opinion...

I guess, Dawg, it all pretty much remains the individual's choices in the matter...I agree with you, any edible animal is a trophy with regard to sustenance. Some hunters prefer animals with a rack that has great symmetry, not necessarily the measurations of it. But we humans will collect articles that have meaning to us and if that includes taxidermy of every species of deer in the country, then so be it...to my eye, there is nothing quite as handsome as a very nicely mounted eight point Sika head...whether or not the oven was grateful! And we can have a nonchalant view on the collection of trophies but when you bring down a stag with a head of great symmetry, you do feel greatly inclined to have it as an ornament on the wall. And if you have hauled that animal out of rough country, and just about blown a gasket through your endeavour, after an exciting hunt where all your senses are on red alert, those eight points do really mean something...

EeeBees, i absolutely agree with you that a hard earned stag that you have stalked, cleanly killed and carried out of the bush personally will have great sentimental value, and by all means have the head mounted and hung from your wall if you are so inclined. However what i find frustrating is when people, like this American woman and many others for that matter pay huge money to come to New Zealand solely to bring a massive stag head home to hang as an ornamental "hunting" trophy when i suspect very little hunting was actually involved. Personally the primary motive to go hunting is to hopefully harvest meat, after all ammunition and firearms aren't free and there has to be some economic return. If the animal that you happen to shoot is of trophy potential then that's a bonus, however i highly doubt that meat is the primary motivation for international trophy hunters travelling to New Zealand.

No meat is not the motive. Hyperthetically, if you were given an opportunity to hunt Reds on an estate in Scotland would you decline?

EeeBees, Hypothetically if i was given the chance to hunt anywhere new i would take up the opportunity to gain experience and meet new hunters, however i would not be interested in paying money to be guided up to some animal regardless of its trophy potential, to shoot and hang on my wall whether it be in an operation run here in New Zealand or in Scotland.

'Free Range' the term is used as loosley as the writing you see on egg cartons..

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Sorry but if i won $1m bucks i would be on the next flight to the states to hunt moose, bear, caribou, Dall sheep, mountain goat. I hope to hunt at least one of them before my time is up. Same diff! None of you want to do this?


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Originally Posted by username

Sorry but if i won $1m bucks i would be on the next flight to the states to hunt moose, bear, caribou, Dall sheep, mountain goat. I hope to hunt at least one of them before my time is up. Same diff! None of you want to do this?


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I'd like to go shooting pigs from a helicopter in Texas that looks fun