Would you leave?? what would you do if this happens to you?

Hi guys,
I'd like your views on this situation .

I left home at 7pm with a couple of mates to go for a hunt this weekend and finally reached the camp spot 6 hours later arriving at 1am.
Only to find another truck parked up in the camping area (this is in the back country on a 4x4 track in) I get out and see who's around the clearing (camping area) I see a guy walking around in his sleeping bag (we woke him, he sleeping in the open and his mate sleeping in their truck). Anyway I go over a say "Hi" and that (well he was awake) as you do, only to be fended off with words like....Find another spot, we were here first ...ra ra ra there is lots more other spots, fark come on, rara ra raa....ra ra raaa going off his tree etc etc. I said "Well I haven't just driven 6 hours for you to tell me to find another spot as we were going to be hunting this area and ra raa raa etc etc, It's late we are all tired, we are camping here weather you like it or not and if you don't like it, you can move, well that just pissed him off even more. I continued to put up my fly camp up, whiled we exchanged views and words. I later had a "meeting" with my mates in private and they all agreed to stay here too. So I went over to have another talk to him and I said "We'll talk about this in the morning, and we'll work something out etc, We are all tired and needed some rest". (well it all went something like that anyway). Right.... in the morning we woke around 5:30am, as thats what we had sort of agreed on, and I went over to talk to him about it again (He was awake too), anyway... I asked him "where are you guys going to hunt as you guys were here first" etc, and he told me over their, up here and back there ra raa raa etc, fair enough, I gave him first choice as they were their first, and I told him where we were going so we wouldn't get in each others way, (by the way... there is enough hunting in this areas for All parties). So then all was good, so I thought. So we went on our ways hunting. When we got back from our days hunt (they had left by then too).(one mate hunted with me) my other mate said "They changed their hunting plans and told him where they had gone, and to add to that they said "Don't touch out hidden camera if you find it!". Anyway... next day we go up to this good wallow area to see if much sign was around, and guess what.... I found their hidden camera up a tree over looking the wallow areas...hahaa so I pranced around like a deer would scrapped the ground like a deer and had some fun, big deal. Didn't touch the camera! Anyway we carried on hunting and got back to camp,packed up and drove home. Monday (today) I was taking photos of my truck only to see fukin knife marks on the drivers side, and No they were not from tree or branches, nice fukin knife marks curving down the doors, gouges, I thought you fukin bastard! I did get their reg number to.
Well, that's my spiel!

Not hard to get name and address with that rego

You did the right thing saying hi and being polite , good on you, that is normal shit in the pig hunting world unfortunately

Edit, I didn't answer your question, yes I would have stayed, and I would be going back there a lot more now...

Hahahaha pull the ole brown eye to the camera?

Sound like wank stains going off the story. Tell the cops?

Should have taken his toothbrush and shoved it up your arse in front of the camera and then replaced it in his bag, would be awesome to see his face when he checks the camera a few days later!

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Originally Posted by Toby

Hahahaha pull the ole brown eye to the camera?

Sound like wank stains going off the story. Tell the cops?

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I haven't told the cops yet, but now that you mention it...
pretended too..haha

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Originally Posted by Spudattack

Should have taken his toothbrush and shoved it up your arse in front of the camera and then replaced it in his bag, would be awesome to see his face when he checks the camera a few days later!

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yeah should have done lots of things but while I was hunting I didnt want my tires slashed!

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Originally Posted by Spudattack

Should have taken his toothbrush and shoved it up your arse in front of the camera and then replaced it in his bag, would be awesome to see his face when he checks the camera a few days later!

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Spud I have to share a story my friend told me....

Years ago he and a mate flew into a hut to pig hunt an area, when they got there they were unwelcomed by a nudist photographer , he walked around starkers, put up a tarp or something in the hut to claim his stake of the area and keep his unwelcome vibe going, in the mornings he would put enough water in the billy for only his drink etc

This pissed my mate off, he put up with it until the last day, the nudist went for a walk to wash or something, so with the flash camera they got his tooth brush and shoved it up the backside of one of the pig dogs and took several photos of it going in and out then packed up and left

So to the nudist photographer, that was my mate having a crack at beginner photography :thumbsup: how did they come out?? bahaha

Police complaint, it's pretty simple.

I would not have left, especially if my mates were big and strong!

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Originally Posted by craigc

Police complaint, it's pretty simple.

I would not have left, especially if my mates were big and strong!

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We were 3 and 2 dogs they were 2 and 1 dog. I was staying no matter what anyway, It's was public land too.

I would have stayed, its very easy to remain civil and work things out to everyones advantage, and it appears you tried that. So balls now in your court, you did the right thing. Now make a complaint to the cops, they probably wont do anything, but at least your complaint will be on record. And next time keep your camera or phone turned on to video but in your pocket - it will record everything for you without anyone else knowing whats happening. Very good evidence IF needed at a later date.

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Originally Posted by Husky1600

I would have stayed, its very easy to remain civil and work things out to everyones advantage, and it appears you tried that. So balls now in your court, you did the right thing. Now make a complaint to the cops, they probably wont do anything, but at least your complaint will be on record. And next time keep your camera or phone turned on to video but in your pocket - it will record everything for you without anyone else knowing whats happening. Very good evidence IF needed at a later date.

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Trouble is.. if I make a compliant to the police about it and they see my truck in there again they probably will slash my tires or more, and it's a looonnnnggg walk out.

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Originally Posted by kingstoncowboy

Trouble is.. if I make a compliant to the police about it and they see my truck in there again they probably will slash my tires or more, and it's a looonnnnggg walk out.

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Game cameras are getting cheaper by the day, grab one, dedicate it to your truck

I reckon what you did was all they could ask for. You could have been a prick got up at 4 and all spread out across the while area but instead you worked in with the plans of those who were there first. Good on you i say. Would welcome people.with your attitude turning up at my camp and those pics will be hard case when they get them. I would have stayed. They just a couple of tools

maybe in this instance its a big camp ground made for many parties with lots of hunting for everyone.
otherwise I wouldn't be interested in ground that is being hunted by others who have scared everything off, safety reasons too. I would rather have gone somewhere else. why ruin both parties hunt, first in best dressed.
I cant say it has happened to me hunting. but when I go for miles down a beach and start fishing and the rest of the coast is open for everyone else and someone comes and stands right by me, it pisses me off. I thought it was a bit of a un-written rule. like pissing in a urinal, give a respectful bit of room.

I have always wondered what an armed hunter would do if they came out of the bush and seen some cunt messing with there vehicle?

I reckon you did the right thing

Everyone carries a camera these days, I would've got a pic of the spankcarrot and done it really obviously too and taken pics of his vehicle

Not that the cops are good for anything but I reckon lay a complaint - people behaving like fuckwits shouldn't have access to firearms

If he's that much of an arse to three armed guys, how often do ya reckon he slaps the missus around?

To be fair I would have been a bit farked of if some fullas rolled up at 1am and woke me up, would of put the bloke in a bloody bad mood. We have walked into huts in the dark and woken everyone up and also had it happen to us. Annoying when you take a few more hours off work or whatever to get there early then someone rolls up late. Cant do anything about it tho.

I would have done the same as you tho, as long as you gave them the genuine first option of where to hunt which you did.

As for vandalism, what cock heads. Cant trust people in the north island around hunting areas, south island seems pretty good

You should have backed out and found another spot to camp till morning...in this particular case I think you were wrong.

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Originally Posted by Husky1600

I would have stayed, its very easy to remain civil and work things out to everyones advantage, and it appears you tried that. So balls now in your court, you did the right thing. Now make a complaint to the cops, they probably wont do anything, but at least your complaint will be on record. And next time keep your camera or phone turned on to video but in your pocket - it will record everything for you without anyone else knowing whats happening. Very good evidence IF needed at a later date.

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Thats a good point Husky.

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Confront him about it, you've got his rego easy enough to track him down thru it. I bet he's shitting himself waiting for you to respond. Or go back and grab the camera and leave a note where he can come and pick it up from after the damage has been rectified, doing nothing is not an option.

I just can't be bothered with this sort of crap, life is too short. I would have moved on. So for me, there wouldn't have been a story to tell.

Working on a Friday then traveling to your hunt site is how it is for most people wanting to make the most of a weekend. Nothing wrong with what you did. The attitude of this other guy is pretty shit unless you arrived banging and clanging your pots and pans. If you rolled up, saw another vehicle/tent then went into quiet mode as to not disturb the other hunters then you have done good.
What was this guys mate like? Seems that they must frequent this area quite a bit if they had a camera set up. May be that they are doing a pre-roar reccy.
Doing a paint job is pretty low and reflects that this guy must be a right arsehole to stoop so low. Bit of a coward really.
Would be interesting if you did turn up on his doorstep

Id be knocking on the pricks door and asking him a few questions as to just exactly what he thought he was doing?

I guess I have been spoilt over the years as there is always somewhere else to go, where I live, but I am sure I would have left them to it, no matter how big the country.
It is a unspoken etiquette where I live. If there was that much country to hunt it should not have been hard to find another spot.
I cant stand hunting anywhere near anyone I don't know anyway.
On the other hand they were major cocks anyway, to damage your vehicle.

It's a tough call whether you were right to stay there or not. However I don't think it justifies damaging someone's property, what a prima doña. I'd mention it to the cops (maybe embellish your story a little ;)), and while vigilante justice always seems like a good idea, I would not do anything retaliatory, sorta makes you as bad as him.

I see some of your points for me to move on, but as it was 1am and we all tired and not in the mood to go driving around more to find another area, we decided to stay. How ever, if it was daylight and early enough to look for another spot I probably would have, I didn't expect to see any body else their, but as he woke when we turned up, I went over to talk to him. It's not as if we roared up to the clearing (camp site area) and made lots of noise, I did what most guys would have done. And I did give him first choice of the hunting area, thats the least I could have done. Your gonna get this at this time of year I guess, as we were also doing a roar reccy. Just look at Clements mill road in the roar, those little park ups on the side of the road are all ways full during the roar. And I'm sure people rock on up all the time and park next to someone else. I've been in his situation before, when I've been asleep at a spot and someone else has turned up late, you have a we chat and say Hi, be polite, where ya hunting and that sort of stuff, ya don't cause a bitch fight about it, your there to enjoy yourselves. And then vandalism to other people property, thats fukin LOW!!

There is no proof that these people damaged your vehicle and as you didn't notice it till after arriving home I would imagine the damage was not significant. I also doubt they did the damage as they had left gear [their camera] in the area and there is no way they could gamble on you not finding the marks till you got home...care to post some pics of said damage?
It takes 3 minutes to jump out of your vehicle, slip into your sleeping bag and keep the peace and quiet, why you felt it was necessary to set up camp is anybody's guess...it was only 5 hours till daylight...they were there first, show some consideration in the future.

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Originally Posted by Spook

There is no proof that these people damaged your vehicle and as you didn't notice it till after arriving home I would imagine the damage was not significant. I also doubt they did the damage as they had left gear [their camera] in the area and there is no way they could gamble on you not finding the marks till you got home...care to post some pics of said damage?
It takes 3 minutes to jump out of your vehicle, slip into your sleeping bag and keep the peace and quiet, why you felt it was necessary to set up camp is anybody's guess...it was only 5 hours till daylight...they were there first, show some consideration in the future.

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For 1: The knife marks are "fresh" like deer shit, you know if it's fresh or not, and I would have seen them b4, 2: I didn't go over my truck with a fine tooth comb inspecting for any scratches, 3: like to see you take 3 minutes if you arrived at a spot to find someone else there!!!!!! 4: I wasn't going to be bullied around at 1am in the morning!!!! 5: consideration ...I gave him first hunting right s to the area!!!!!!. 6: Go and put your head in the sand

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Originally Posted by kingstoncowboy

For 1: The knife marks are "fresh" and I would have seen them b4, 2: I didn't go over my truck with a fine tooth comb inspecting for any scratches, 3: like to see you take 3 minutes if you arrived at a spot to find someone else there!!!!!! 4: I wasn't going to be bullied around at 1am in the morning!!!! 5: consideration ...I gave him first hunting right s to the area!!!!!!. 6: Go and put your head up your arse!!

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You didn't give him fuck all in the way of hunting rights...he was there first.
Your head-up-the-arse attitude is why you ended up in this situation.
So you needed a fine tooth comb to find the marks...cant have been significant marks.

By your attitude Spook, you'd be Just as bad to deal with in this situation, I pity the guy that bumps into you in the bush.
I haven't mention that he left a message on my back windscreen threatening me either.
Scratches to my vehicle as requested Spook. Bad enough to "significant"! And if they were old they would have rust marks starting by now.
Attachment 21476Attachment 21477 2 short scratches and a longer one curving down ... definitely not from branches!

There appears to be a lot of other scratches in that paintwork...poor camera light, poor photography [not you, camera] or you do a lot of bush bashing...they may well be knife marks but my money is on bush scratches.
And yes I am an absolute bastard to meet in the bush, especially at 1 in the morning when someone crashes my camp...the rattle of bottles and the phht of a cap coming off goes a long way to quieten me down.

Oh!, and now we get the threatening message...now that would have gone a long way to your credibility if it had been mentioned earlier.

Better take some rum or whisky next time I hunt incase I run into grumpy old men :D

I'd be going back to get that fucking camera.

Write them a message, stick it on the data card and send it back to the fucking cnuts

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Originally Posted by Toby

Better take some rum or whisky next time I hunt incase I run into grumpy old men :D

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Buy quality...not crap

Mmmm a threat as well.... post that up too. The knife marks look like a illiterate message to me, how sound is someone that scribes messages into peoples doors with a knife

Have you got his name an address yet?

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Originally Posted by moonhunt

Mmmm a threat as well.... post that up too. The knife marks look like a illiterate message to me, how sound is someone that scribes messages into peoples doors with a knife

Have you got his name an address yet?

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I did make a complaint to the police this morning following some advice from you guys and will leave it in there hands, other wise it would have cost me $15 to find the owner of vehicle name and address from Transport agency, so didn't go there.

And for "spook" I don't want to be rude to you, just this prick was an arse to deal with. and you worked me up, sorry.

Good stuff, we will all hang out for the outcome then...

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Originally Posted by kingstoncowboy

I did make a complaint to the police this morning following some advice from you guys and will leave it in there hands, other wise it would have cost me $15 to find the owner of vehicle name and address from Transport agency, so didn't go there.

And for "spook" I don't want to be rude to you, just this prick was an arse to deal with. and you worked me up, sorry.

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We all have our moments.
I don't think that you can get names of car rego's anymore...but by putting it in the hands of the police was your best move...don't expect a lot from them as there is no financial reward for their time...all you can hope for is a cop with an attitude on firearms.

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Originally Posted by Tahr

I just can't be bothered with this sort of crap, life is too short. I would have moved on. So for me, there wouldn't have been a story to tell.

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So much this - I would have headed down the road a wee bit and thought no more of it. Not worth the shit.

Not knowing the area it's hard to say what I'd do.
But if it was the only possible place to park the ute for the night I'd expect them to be civil, but would have considered moving if the guy was a real wanker.

Still would've hunted in the area, probably. It's public land, but not knowing the temperament of the people or the area really can't say.