All calibers will kill if pointed in the right direction.
Now back to watching real house wives of Oamaru :mouse:
All calibers will kill if pointed in the right direction.
Now back to watching real house wives of Oamaru :mouse:
I see stories about the 6.5x55 killing moose in Sweden a lot, is that because its their version of the 303? They sold a ton of Husqvarna 1600 in 30-06 too in Sweden.
Don't mind if I chime in here.. I use a Barrett 50CAL for big reds and elephants so you're all beneath me Mwahaha.. Jokes!
I have a 6.5 PRC using Berger 156g projectiles for hunting and love it. Will be building a custom 7mm PRC for targets very soon!
but you still got to hit them in the vital bit to get a clean kill LOL.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth_Gorilla
Actually a 50CAL will kill a deer without hitting it at all, as long as its path is close enough to the deers head the vacuum will suck its eyes out and kill it instantly...Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Nah didn't you read Barry's post. After 300m they turn backwards and bounce offQuote:
Originally Posted by buzzman
Yeha, it will just be a bunch of new hunters. The creedmoor is massively popular at the moment, so it makes sense lots of new hunters are adopting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmwsm
Which means more fucked up shots, they'd still be fucked up shots if 308 was the cool new kid.
In all honesty it's a pretty good first rifle option. Decent quality and variety of ammo available, low recoil, good external ballistics and decent killing power. If a mate came to me tomorrow asking what to buy for his first deer gun I'd point him in that direction.
I bought one because I've always liked the medium 6.5s having owned both the swede and the 260 but it's nice having the factory ammo availibility.
The difference of all these new chamberings is that the throats and barrel twists are correct for the heavey for caliber projectiles.
Heavy bullets with a high balistic coeficient. 270 :XD:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chilli_Dog
If you don't understand balistic coeficient and what it dose to your trajectory and energy...
Also sectional density.
But if ya cant shoot then it's all for 0.
The rifle i grew up hunting with was a husqvarna 7x57 with a fixed 4 power kahles helia on it. Probably shot more deer with that than i have with 6.5 Creedmoor, 7x57 never let me down but neither has the creedmoor. I dont think the deer cared either way, they all died from an overdose of lead. Call it a crudmore all you want but it kicks a 7x57s ass all day long in every way you look at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry the hunter
All a pointless debate at the end of the day because almost any calibre is capable of killing almost any animal when the rifle is in capable hands.
Times change, technology moves on and things get better. People taking the new technology/calibres and not knowing how to use them properly or having the required skill for longer shots is a people problem not the calibres fault.
If we want to be more specific in regards to 'good deer cartridges/calibres', then I would start with a bullet weight between 120gr up to about 180gr max, with a diameter of between .25 and .30, with a velocity of between 2700fps and 3200fps.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6.5 CRD
Also, unless you want a heavy rifle (>4kg all up), you will probably want to limit your bullet weight to about 150gr if shooting unsuppressed due to recoil.
Choose the rifle and cartridge from within this criteria, and then the one that is best will be the one that you get the best accuracy from. Accuracy comes from practice. Practice comes from sending rounds down range.
Then everything works.... just shoot things with the right projectile in the right place.
you are right more deer shot in NZ with the 303 than any other calibre and many with full jacket army ammo - its what they had - and no scopes back in those days - but I bet they had those old girls well zeroed - the 6.5 CRD is perfectly adequate - and does have a few good points for a new shooter like low recoil- because thats the problem with the real long range calibers and new shooters - the recoil can be quite off putting until one learns how to manage it -I tried a friends 338 lapua bloody hell would not like to fire to many thru it -yes technology moves on and we will see advancements for hunters especially I think in thermal gear - scopes well range finding built in will become more compact and ballistic read outs part of the parcel- but long range one cant do much about those variables like wind - still a real skill set to learn -and practise makes perfect - just please dont try long shots unless you are well practised and very confident of a clean kill - my thoughtsQuote:
Originally Posted by 6.5 CRD
Surely the 270 can't be compared to the rem mag. Massive difference thereQuote:
Originally Posted by ariki
nah thats 44.40 if it actually got thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Nick-D
I dont think it can be directly compared to the rem mag, but theres no denying you can get some good performance out of the .270 if you do something custom with a fast twist, heavy projectiles good brass and a very stiff load, but by this point your starting to get out of the realm of what most hunters would do, and if your building a custom rifle i can think of many better calibres to build a rifle on rather than .270Quote:
Originally Posted by Remmodel7
My original comment comparing 6.5 Creed vs .270 was more aimed at what the majority of people do, buy an off the shelf rifle and shoot factory ammo through it. In that instance, the creed is for the most part on par if not better than the .270, In my opinion (emphasis on the in my opinion part). Creedmoor comes with a 1:8 twist standard, and theres a huge amount of great factory ammo available with high bc bullets & it will push similar weight projectiles at not much slower speeds with considerably less powder charge and felt recoil compared to the .270, which generally comes with a 1/10 twist and the heaviest factory ammo is around 150gn.
Yup agree. Next purchase for me will be a creed but by then it won't be cool anymore anyway. Just need to find one in a Kimber. Light weight, lite recoil, good ballistics. Sounds good to meQuote:
Originally Posted by 6.5 CRD
I'll still have the only real 6.5 also. The grendel.
All you creed guys are compensating
Gotta love a good cartridge thread to kick off the week lol. I shoot a 260 which is basically a creedmoor. Love the little thing, it’s my meat gatherer shooting 135 classic hunters - deadly. If i’m on the hunt in big country or looking for wall hangers then my 7mm SAUM comes out of the cabinet.
6.5s are bloody efficient calibers. They just need to be used within their ethical limitations as at the end of the day they are still a 140gn pill as opposed to say a 180gr 7mm or 200gr 30cal with a bigger wound channel where heavy hitting really matters. A good mate of mine was lucky enough to film an overseas hunter in NZ during the roar as he hunted down south for his TV show. Long story short he had a crack at a big red stag at 800 with a 6.5 PRC. Bloody shambles and just poor form. That sort of stuff is where the big guns come in, no matter how silky the 6.5 is, when things get big and long the 7mm and 30cal should be in action on big game. Anything normal that most of us do, 5 - 600 MAX and below (depending on the animal type/size etc), the 6.5 is a good option among many others.
yeah good stuff - my next rifle will be a 22.250 - why - meat gathering - I dont shoot much over 300 yards and for fallow just a bit more bang than my .222 - reds out comes the .308 - but would not mind if spending allows looking at 300 WSM - the one caliber would not go back to is .243 had a bad run with it when I tried one in seventies and it put me off for life - yet others really rate it - could have been the ammo at the time - back in seventies ammo choice was limited in many sports storesQuote:
Originally Posted by stagstalker
Ibelieve not that long ago Mr Songhurst did a custom build to utilise just that very thing..... the 27Nosler fast twist n all poking out big bergers from memoryQuote:
Originally Posted by 300CALMAN
but if you shooting past 350 you will be rangeing and dialing anyway so whats a few clicks between friends
I dont so I dont so doesnt matter to me LOL. tell you what though,looking up the stats etc for the 170grn ROUND NOSE its actually not that shabby for trajectory...not the flying brick I first thought..well not out to 300 anyway.
I can not believe Im going to type this....Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry the hunter
in defence of the .243
it was always loud...but other than that has always been a good choice for younger,smaller or recoil shy shooters.... the ammunition has come ahead leaps and bounds and so has our knowledge (rather than ability) of where is best to poke that bit of lead
the funny part of the .243 is it really gets used 2 ways..with short fat blunt 100grn loads and shoulder shoot..by bush hobbits and as a tack driver for precision placement into head/neck/meatsaver,crease by fellas in the open..with cross over between the two
if you were to use a light mono in .243 is is nearly a 22-250 if you got a fast twist 22-250 and use a heavy cup n core its nearly a .243
I dont own one..love to poke the shit and owners of them,but admit its a pretty darn good cartridge for all but "shooten them up the jacksee"
Its always the wrong question...
The questions to ask are..
Specific projectile choice and weight
Desired speed at which pushed
Utility that the cartridge brings specifically (ie action length, weight of rifle, choice of rifle etc)
Intended normal use parameters ( target species, environment Bush/open tops/ big game small game/varmint etc etc)
These are interrelated questions, the answers inform each other question...
I have reached the conclusion that I always start with the projectile/ammo choice, then go to desired speed based on functionality for purpose. The rest falls into place more easily.
Thus asking the question is the 6.5 Creed hunting performance OK? is like asking how long is a piece of string...
Imagine still arguing about 6.5 Creedmoor in 2023.
I think its really about the 6.5 versus something bigger argument...the creed made the conversation relevant and then the PRC changed it again. I still struggle with it a little, my mates 6.5x55 is perfect on sika to 400ish yards and we don't have any evidence too much past that, I prefer to live with the bigger recoil of my 284 shooting 162's because its still manageable and no doubt at all it has more killing power close and further out. It shows a gap in what's available to us if the 270 is even in the discussion for longer ranges, Hornady need to produce a 7mm on the 6.5prc case perhaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
Its about old farts opinions vs current real world experiences imo
Ding!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibo
Here's an old farts opinion. A 140 grn 6.5 caliber bullet with a minimum MV of about 2,600 fps or over will kill any deer out to 300 yards at least. Regardless of the head stamp. If its stamped "Creedmoor" or whatever who cares.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibo
I wasn't calling out ALL old farts Tahr ;) quite a few are up with the times :D
.....something about arseholes......& opinions..... Just go hunting - but remember to carry "enough gun" for your intended purpose.
It would be a bloody horrible night spent in camp with some of you if this is all you can talk about :D
A greater fear would be if it turned to politics. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nickoli
.....Nay, religion.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Yep... like I said..Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Projectile - speed - purpose - preferences to suit purpose.. paraphrased....
Several large sambar stags over the last couple years hate my creed. All bar one only took a few steps and the one exception was entirely my fault. Excellent all round cartridge, my top choice for all big game New Zealand hunting. There is no substitute for shot placement with any caliber though.
What twist are you thinking there? 1/7?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth_Gorilla
7mm PRC looked it up- now that does have some real bang - if one was going down the track of a longer range cartridge I presume one would have to reload for it ?- and how does it in the real world compare to say 300WSM which one may well be able to get factory for - or the tried and true 7mm Rem Mag ?? just interestedQuote:
Originally Posted by T.FOYE
They do make factory ammo for them but anyone serious about longrange should reload anyway I reckonQuote:
Originally Posted by Barry the hunter
7prc is available off the shelf in 175eldx or 180eldm my 20" barrel Tikka pushes the 180grn at 2800fps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry the hunter
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Be better off with a 7RM :PQuote:
Originally Posted by 25/08 IMP
my thoughts are that under 300m it literally doesn't matter.
past 300m I prefer 6.5 as I like the ballistics more, but if I spent time with .308 I'm sure I'd get used to it and be fine. I also have a stuffed shoulder that pinches the nerves and the creedmore with a muzzle brake means I can still feel my fingers after a day at the range.
a lot of the arguments here feel like the arguments betwen samsung and apple, ford and holden crap. they're so close together that there will never be a obvious best choice so just get what you like and don't be a goddamn weirdo online about it.
it was a simple question a simple awnser would have been enough -was simply interestedQuote:
Originally Posted by 16Tontovarish
PRC fits the Tikka mag better without loosing powder space as it's fatter and shorter than the rem mag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibo
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