6.5 Creedmoor? whats everyones thoughts? on hunting performance

I was referring to the speed ;)

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Originally Posted by Tahr

Here's an old farts opinion. A 140 grn 6.5 caliber bullet with a minimum MV of about 2,600 fps or over will kill any deer out to 300 yards at least. Regardless of the head stamp. If its stamped "Creedmoor" or whatever who cares.

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well I consider myself NEARLY an old fart
I agree with above statement with one small change....A 140grn projectile with minimun MV of about 2,600 blah blah blah the size of the shaft/hole/shank isnt going to matter much unless taken to really extreme ends of spectrum......243=6mm 264=6.5mm .277=7mm .284 =7mmand a bit .308=7.62mm etc etc

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Originally Posted by Beavis

Imagine still arguing about 6.5 Creedmoor in 2023.

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Yeah what happened to the Tikka 7mm08?

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

well I consider myself NEARLY an old fart
I agree with above statement with one small change....A 140grn projectile with minimun MV of about 2,600 blah blah blah the size of the shaft/hole/shank isnt going to matter much unless taken to really extreme ends of spectrum......243=6mm 264=6.5mm .277=7mm .284 =7mmand a bit .308=7.62mm etc etc

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Good luck running a 6mm 140grn projectile. Talk about a pencil.

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Originally Posted by 6.5 CRD

Interestingly theres little to nothing in it. I think alot of people that hate on the creedmoor dont actually have any understanding of what it is or what its capable of.

6.5 Creedmoor with 143gr ELDX doing 2800fps has 1791ftlb / 2375fps @ 300yd & 1418ftlb / 2113fps @ 500yd
.270 Winchester with 145gr ELDX doing 2900fps has 1853ftlb / 2399fps @ 300yd & 1412ftlb / 2094fps @ 500yd.

Simply put, .270 has 62ftlb & 24fps on the creedmoor at 300yd & by 500yd, the creedmoor has actually overtaken the .270 in both speed & energy, all while using considerably less powder & less felt recoil.

A dig at .270? absolutely not. Just interesting to see how many people are stuck in their ways with some of the older calibres & refuse to accept that technology moves on and things can in fact be better than what they have used for some time. 6.5 Creedmoor is certainly not the be all and end all, but imo its better than alot give it credit for.

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There are very few loads that see 2800fps in a 6.5 creed with said projectile.
There are several that see 3000fps with a 270w.

That said, i would rather shoot and own a creedmoor

Not really, my own and a few others i know of happily push a 143gr ELDX along at 2800+. Mine does 2920 with a stiff load of RL26. But sure, even if we knock 100 off the creedmoor and add 100 on the .270, Theres still not a huge advantage going with something like a .270 win by the time you account for the better BC of the 6.5 Projectiles, With the added bonus of less recoil and less powder burnt which was my point from the beginning.

Is does the .270 have more power and capability as a handloader compared to 6.5 Creed? Absolutely. But for the average joe buying ammo off the shelf and shooting an off the shelf rifle, theres next to nothing in it.

Getting 2920fps with a creedmoor would just open another set of questions for me.
I stick pretty close to published data though in the absence of reliable pressure indicators.

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Originally Posted by Longrun

Getting 2920fps with a creedmoor would just open another set of questions for me.
I stick pretty close to published data though in the absence of reliable pressure indicators.

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As i wrote above, stiff load, 24" barrel. 1gr over hornadys book max. GRT shows it to be right on max & .5gr more starts to faintly swipe the brass. Brass is on its 6th loading now and still fine.

More my point is 2800+ with the 143 is pretty easily achievable in the creedmoor.

Oh yeah, fair enough. My 6.5s tend to be around 2750 or 2900 with the 120gr I now use.

Rl26 makes a big difference. Doesnt get anywhere near 2900 with anything else.

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Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

it was a simple question a simple awnser would have been enough -was simply interested

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sorry mate, that was a generic comment about the online discussion around it, not you specifically.

God knows i spent so much damn time researching calibres before i bought my first hunting rifle that was wasted in restrospect.

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Originally Posted by 16Tontovarish

sorry mate, that was a generic comment about the online discussion around it, not you specifically.

God knows i spent so much damn time researching calibres before i bought my first hunting rifle that was wasted in restrospect.

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yeah its all great stuff - good discussion especially at a hut or around a fire with a few beers - I know two rules after years shooting deer - blow a big hole if ya fluff the shot then with a decent caliber will at least give you a good blood trail - and if you are not sure then stalk a bit closer -

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Originally Posted by Got-ya

Good luck running a 6mm 140grn projectile. Talk about a pencil.

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I didnt add .323=8mm on the other end as thats getting silly short for same reason...AND sorry @amlnz I also neglected to add .257=6.25ish LOL
my point being that within reason.(between 6.25----7.62mm).ANY cartridge poking a 140 grn pill at 2600fps is going to make stuff die

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Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

okay within 300 meters with correct projectile will drop big reds okay but push that calibre any further then you have problems - and if any one wants to argue that please dont advise new hunters on here that 6.5 crudmore is the be all and end all that's irresponsible - why do we have the real long range calibers like 7mm magnum - 300 magnum because they work thats why - 6.5 crudmore will do what you ask out to 300 metres after that - get a real caliber and drop your deer safely

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Here you go Barry:

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Really Barry you should get yourself a Creedmoor....a starter kit is only about NZ$20:

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

I didnt add .323=8mm on the other end as thats getting silly short for same reason...AND sorry @amlnz I also neglected to add .257=6.25ish LOL
my point being that within reason.(between 6.25----7.62mm).ANY cartridge poking a 140 grn pill at 2600fps is going to make stuff die

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Where does your. 39 fit into that range?

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Originally Posted by Hermitage

Really Barry you should get yourself a Creedmoor....a starter kit is only about NZ$20:

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no sorry dont get that at all but then I am not gay or bisexual so maybe missed the point from those on the forum who understand what the fuck its supposed to be

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Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

no sorry dont get that at all but then I am not gay or bisexual so maybe missed the point from those on the forum who understand what the fuck its supposed to be

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Well Barry, some of you older guys may call it the 6.5 Crudmore...
...but many of the younger generation know it as 6.5 Manbun (or the 6.5 Crossfit :) )

Has 6.8 western been mentioned yet......

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Originally Posted by Hermitage

Well Barry, some of you older guys may call it the 6.5 Crudmore...
...but many of the younger generation know it as 6.5 Manbun (or the 6.5 Crossfit :) )

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so, do you actually have a point to make, or is it just incomprehensible yelling at things you don't like?

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Originally Posted by Chilli_Dog

Has 6.8 western been mentioned yet......

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Not sure was about to ask the same question!

Very interesting thread,information between the banter lol.
I read a few different projectiles mentioned and am curious to know why the 6.5 users have chosen a particular bullet,ie accuracy,performance,availability or price.
Also if these rifles are being run with suppressors,brakes or not?
I am also considering a 6.5 so any extra information would be welcome.
Cheers.

I also don’t have enough hair for a man bun and don’t look good in leotards so maybe I’ll skip that advice Lol

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Originally Posted by Bullers243

Very interesting thread,information between the banter lol.
I read a few different projectiles mentioned and am curious to know why the 6.5 users have chosen a particular bullet,ie accuracy,performance,availability or price.
Also if these rifles are being run with suppressors,brakes or not?
I am also considering a 6.5 so any extra information would be welcome.
Cheers.

I also don’t have enough hair for a man bun and don’t look good in leotards so maybe I’ll skip that advice Lol

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For me I use the 140 range of hornaday projectiles for all reasons, the price is good the bc is jut about the best and they kill so well cheers


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My 6.5s are 260 and a swede.
They're both nice carry rifles that I shoot bare with 22inch barrels.
I was using 140gr eldms then in the shortage I got a stock of 120gr speer gold dots.

The eldms would be my choice for longer ranges and they still passed through up close with wide wounding. The gold dots are v similar to federal fusions. Work well. Just about anything 120-140gr works well with moderate speeds and high sectional density.

If I was predominately hunting tops with longer shots then I would prefer 7mm or 30cal.

I'm using 123 sst's in my 260, purely because I found 700 of them when stuff started getting scarce. They're ok, but there are plenty better out there.

With a 16" barrel and a reasonable but not excessive amount of 2208 it gets very good accuracy and 2750 fps. So far this year I've knocked over two deer past 500m - 1 @ 538, the other @ 540 (plus others much closer than that). It works just fine up close - although I've got a load using 156gr Norma Oryx for moose killing if it looks like a thing... The point is that the various 6.5 cartridges offer a good combination of low recoil, useful projectiles and reasonable mid range killing power. Lots of folks seem wedded to the my way or the highway style of debate, but the truth is that our deer aren't especially large, heavily constructed (sambar excepted) or hard to kill. Having the ability to put your cracker in the right place is the biggest part of the puzzle, and that is where the low recoil, easy to practise with part comes in so useful.

Back to the shitfight.

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Originally Posted by Gibo

They do make factory ammo for them but anyone serious about longrange should reload anyway I reckon

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I don't know about that one these days bro, quality factory ammo will be far more constant than most people's reloading skills will ever be, even if it's funning a little slower m.v.
( always some exceptions tho )

Didn't you win the long-range shoot with factory Hornady ammo? shit that was a poxy 6.5 too if i remember right

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Originally Posted by 199p

I don't know about that one these days bro, quality factory ammo will be far more constant than most people's reloading skills will ever be, even if it's funning a little slower m.v.
( always some exceptions tho )

Didn't you win the long-range shoot with factory Hornady ammo? shit that was a poxy 6.5 too if i remember right

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100%
A fair bit is also faster

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Originally Posted by 199p

I don't know about that one these days bro, quality factory ammo will be far more constant than most people's reloading skills will ever be, even if it's funning a little slower m.v.
( always some exceptions tho )

Didn't you win the long-range shoot with factory Hornady ammo? shit that was a poxy 6.5 too if i remember right

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I just had to show Brads how to shoot his own rifle ;)

Good to know, I haven't bought factory ammo since god knows when

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Originally Posted by Remmodel7

Where does your. 39 fit into that range?

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7.62x39mm wont push a 140grn that fast LOL.... and I onsold it a looong time ago. guess its got to be 7.7 or 7.8mm???

Just my $0.02....
If we remove the chambering from the debate and talk purely about true calibre, projectile mass and design, muzzle velocity and energy, we could lose some of the emotion associated with specific chamberings. The marketing department of the major ammunition manufacturers does a great job of dividing shooters over a name. The bullet knows none of this, and simply obeys the laws of physics, irrespective of whether the brass it leaves behind identifies as Arisaka, Swede or Creedmoor.

6.5 Creedmoor is a good killer. Seen it first hand. I think the question of whether it is good for you comes down to what length barrel you want especially if using a suppressor.

I use a 16" 308 suppressed for Bush hunting. Even factory 308 is good out of a 16" barrel. If I wanted a short barrel 6.5 it would be a 260 in 18", Tikka with the bolt stop mod, I've had one before it was a nice handy rifle. I probably wouldn't have a 6.5 creedmoor less than 20".

My boy just purchased his first bolt action for deer.
Asked me which caliber...
I told him creed , even though I am not a fan -much prefer 308 , as I believe for a newish shooter it is the best choice.
Now my daughter going through same now and we will probably do the same for her.
Can't really think of a better chambering for their circumstances although I am very far from a fan of the cartridge.

Thank you everybody for your input, I read all the comments and have learnt alot. Micky duck my apologies for the 223 comment. I sometimes have a big mouth therefore invite comments out of context( I shot my first deer with a 222). Seems I started a 270 vrs 6.5 arguement, wasnt my intention. looks like the 6.5 would fit the bill nicely. I am not completely new to hunting and I can shoot ( I grew up shooting, and I spent alot of time in the military) however I am very new to reloading so when I eventually get the required gear, I am going to be asking lots of questions.

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Originally Posted by 308mate

6.5 Creedmoor is a good killer. Seen it first hand. I think the question of whether it is good for you comes down to what length barrel you want especially if using a suppressor.

I use a 16" 308 suppressed for Bush hunting. Even factory 308 is good out of a 16" barrel. If I wanted a short barrel 6.5 it would be a 260 in 18", Tikka with the bolt stop mod, I've had one before it was a nice handy rifle. I probably wouldn't have a 6.5 creedmoor less than 20".

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Err you would have an 18 inch 260 but wouldn't go shorter than 20 in a creed? You reckon the less than 2% capacity difference will have any meaningful effect on performance in a short barrel? Performance between the 2 is all but identical.

My 16 inch creed accounted for 2 reds yesterday, factory 143 eld x moving at a measly 2530 ish. 2 clean, quick kills. Both quartering toward toward, one punched shoulder and carried through to back of ribs with a tennis ball sized exit. Big fat healthy animal. Other entered, traveled the length of the body and smashed the opposite side hip. Enough energy and excellent penetration = clean kills on medium sized game. Same rifle has taken animals out to 280y with no issues. Can wring plenty more out of it with handloads, but it works just fine with factory

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so either thats an old target or your forsale add is a load of bullshit.....
if you have three rifles
a .45/70 a 270 that USED TO SHOOT and a .223 that wont group betterthan 2" at 75 yards
and you THINK the scope on .270 MIGHT be issue
it raises some questions
#1 have you tried a different scope
#2 have you tried a different trigger squeazer
#3 have you ruled out a flinch being the issue
#4 if you paid over a grand to have rifle accurised WHY THE HELL did you play with it afterwards????
you now suggesting the 6.5CM is going to be the ducks nuts...but if yo urepeat same pattern of behaviour it will end up the same
I cannot for the life of me recall ANY 223 being as inaccurate as you say yours is..maybe a mini 14 trying to use heavy projectiles??? but nothing really rings bells as being that bad.

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

so either thats an old target or your forsale add is a load of bullshit.....
if you have three rifles
a .45/70 a 270 that USED TO SHOOT and a .223 that wont group betterthan 2" at 75 yards
and you THINK the scope on .270 MIGHT be issue
it raises some questions
#1 have you tried a different scope
#2 have you tried a different trigger squeazer
#3 have you ruled out a flinch being the issue
#4 if you paid over a grand to have rifle accurised WHY THE HELL did you play with it afterwards????
you now suggesting the 6.5CM is going to be the ducks nuts...but if yo urepeat same pattern of behaviour it will end up the same
I cannot for the life of me recall ANY 223 being as inaccurate as you say yours is..maybe a mini 14 trying to use heavy projectiles??? but nothing really rings bells as being that bad.

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a number of my hunters tried the mini 14 ruger-seemed the ducks nuts - semi auto big mag - looked well made - but feck they would not shoot to bloody save themselves -some not all of the little mini mausers I think they were Zastava- odd ones would not shoot to save themselves either - and yet the Rem 788 in .222 horrible action and all were total tack drivers some under 3/4 in with a good shooter behind it - just goes to show until ya put it onto a target ya just dont know

possibly the batch of mini mausers where the bolts got mixed up..... mines one of the tack drivers LOL. but 2" at 70 ish yards is shocking....

the above photo of target answers @Hermitages question really well about supplying target in forsale add.... the two just dont match up.

https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....ss-sale-94707/