Thread: A class Thumbhole stocks , what do you prefer

Originally Posted by Happy

Dude you questioned my credibility you know nothing about me same ad I about you but your comment here makes you look like you have f all It looks bad it felt bad delivery was 8 or so weeks late with no correspondence unless you went looking for it . Folks make their opinions based on how they are treated ,how product looks ( this looks nothing like advertising pics ). Sorry but it's crap bro and no I don't take a mirror with me either and suspect neither does Grue. Fitted it and it just did n t do any thing for me plus the rubber thing fell off easily

The delays are entirely our fault (nzar15.com) not Spear Mags. We weren't comfortable sending out the stocks without a suitable stock screw. In hindsight we should have contacted every customer and let them know the reasons for delays. We did our best on this at the time with multiple threads on 3 forums describing the delays.

In the meantime you still have 2.5 months to enjoy your AR with its non mil spec pistol grip.

I think it's important to recognise the work involved in bringing a new stock to the market. As far as I'm concerned spear mags have done an excellent job in providing kiwis an alternative at a great price point.

We approached spear mags late last year when the original discussions we had with broncos indicated they were not up to the volume that would be required for the nz market. Wyndham guns have the bronco stock mentioned in this thread. Our design brief first to broncos then to spear mags was an H&K USC style stock. Spear mags filled the design brief perfectly and at a significantly lower price. Spear mags then took on the huge investment to manufacture these stocks. It costs a small mortgage just to manufacture a single design for our market. Cost recovery doesn't occur until a shit load are sold.

Spear mags is a kiwi company with superb design skills and a growing product range that we will be helping ensure has a solid future.

Originally Posted by gimp

nah a rifle or carbine length buffer system will be equally reliable. There's no option for a carbine buffer system with a thumbhole stock.

It would be difficult to manufacture a thumbhole stock for a carbine buffer tube. Magpul did a pretty good job with their fixed length MOE carbine stock but it is a multi piece design that includes unique metal parts to make the fastening work in the absence of an A2 style stock screw. I'm guessing that the shortest thumbhole design on the market is the servo version.

I see Reloaders do the Servo rifle length stock, so I'll grab one of those and an ergo grip off of NZAR15. It'll be on E endorsement anyways so I've no need to dick around with this rubbish can't-reach-the-safety-or-mag-release-properly abortion of a stock.

get a carbine buffer system and a collapsible stock, if it's on E.

Originally Posted by AzumitH

Yeah I'm just deciding whether or not I should be upset that it's been changed by the importer to something other than a factory equivalent. I mean I can get a rifle length mil-spec stock if that's what matches the installed it's not a big deal, it's whether this new tube will adversely affect performance. I'm also looking at a suppressor in the near future, is a rifle length tube gonna matter much? 16 inch barrel, carbine gas system.

The buffer systems aren't specific to gas systems. You can have either buffer system on whatever gas system. Unless you want adjustability or shorter stock length, there is really no reason to switch to carbine. The rifle system has smoother recoil and is more reliable. It’s also better for suppressor use.

Originally Posted by Banana

The buffer systems aren't specific to gas systems. You can have either buffer system on whatever gas system. Unless you want adjustability or shorter stock length, there is really no reason to switch to carbine. The rifle system has smoother recoil and is more reliable. It’s also better for suppressor use.

It's really a case of not wanting to replace more parts than I need to. If my rifle still had the carbine tube on it I would get a stock to suit. Since it doesn't, I won't. I'm not too worried about it being adjustable, and I actually really like the look of the Servo stock after looking at it a few times, kinda unique too. If rifle length is better for suppression then that's just icing on the cake.

Originally Posted by Digit

The delays are entirely our fault (nzar15.com) not Spear Mags. We weren't comfortable sending out the stocks without a suitable stock screw. In hindsight we should have contacted every customer and let them know the reasons for delays. We did our best on this at the time with multiple threads on 3 forums describing the delays.

In the meantime you still have 2.5 months to enjoy your AR with its non mil spec pistol grip.

I think it's important to recognise the work involved in bringing a new stock to the market. As far as I'm concerned spear mags have done an excellent job in providing kiwis an alternative at a great price point.

We approached spear mags late last year when the original discussions we had with broncos indicated they were not up to the volume that would be required for the nz market. Wyndham guns have the bronco stock mentioned in this thread. Our design brief first to broncos then to spear mags was an H&K USC style stock. Spear mags filled the design brief perfectly and at a significantly lower price. Spear mags then took on the huge investment to manufacture these stocks. It costs a small mortgage just to manufacture a single design for our market. Cost recovery doesn't occur until a shit load are sold.

Spear mags is a kiwi company with superb design skills and a growing product range that we will be helping ensure has a solid future.

Yep comms with yr clients most important. Accurates pics help as well
All good I realize your difficulties .

It does however look dissimilar to orig pics posted

At the same time thanks for your commitment to this market

The original pics were renders I think.

I know this post is getting down the list a bit, but after my last post, thought i'd give a quick update.

After some shooting (no mirrors required), getting eye relief distance on the scope right, and basically getting comfortable with the Spear stock, I'm going to have to say I'm pretty happy. Feels a lot less alien now i've made a dent in my ammo stock. So yes, the Spear Stock will be staying put, and a second one will be ordered as soon as the clinking pacakge finally arrives from the states.

Thermo plastic is here, so I'm going to play with the heat gun one day this week and see if I can get a nice grip on it.

I was at the Auckland DS range today with the kids and my AR with Spear's stock, and there were another 2 or 3 spears stocks there on varying AR's... they are breeding!

I found it fine to shoot with, quite happy to be honest.
Grant

First attempt to get the Spear Stock more comfortable - much better contact with trigger rather than wrapping finger around it 3 times... sorry for photo, was dark and late!