Thread: From E-Cat to A-Cat?

Originally Posted by Baz

My question now is, how do we get our A cat firearms to be E cat registered? I have asked and get told 'its not a simple process'. Can someone enlighten me?

Is it as simple as paying large sums to purchase a registered E cat firearm to continue shooting 3 gun? not many will be able to do this, what future is there for this sport if so?

I have never done this so take what i say next with a grain of salt (so to speak).
I have seen pest control guys registering and then converting A-Cat shotguns to E-Cat. The owner obviously needs the E endoirsement and then needs to explain to the AO the reason for the change. For the guys i was talking to they were part of a DoC hunt team and culling goats from the helicopter. It was simple enough to demonstrate that to the local AO.

For guys shooting 3gun i would have thought the explaination to the AO would be pretty straight forward. Like the guys who compete in service rifle competitions. To be really competitive in service class you need an E cat semiauto. This is sufficient reason for them to be given a permit to procure (forgetting the stupid hand in thing) and therefore should be sufficient reason to convert an A-Cat to E-Cat.

Is the stupid hand-in thing still "a thing" ?? Because it was very, very stupid.

Originally Posted by gimp

Scrap E, it's worthless banning based on fear of cosmetic features and does not have any benefit

That's incorrect, they are restricted because of certain types of people that are attracted to the cosmetic features of certain firearms, not because of peoples fear of them. Since they're only cosmetic features you would have thought there would have been very little problem, however the pistol grip is a little more than cosmetic.

Using peoples irrational fear as the base of your argument will not work as peoples fear isn't the reasoning behind the restrictions.

Originally Posted by Savage1

That's incorrect, they are restricted because of certain types of people that are attracted to the cosmetic features of certain firearms, not because of peoples fear of them. Since they're only cosmetic features you would have thought there would have been very little problem, however the pistol grip is a little more than cosmetic.

Using peoples irrational fear as the base of your argument will not work as peoples fear isn't the reasoning behind the restrictions.

It literally is irrational fear, because "some murderers are attracted to these types of gun" doesn't hold up for shit when it's only a tiny tiny fraction of murderers who use them, even when they're freely available to them

Ban knives, 'cos waaaay more people are "attracted to them" than to E-cat style rifles, they must be because they account for a massive amount more crimes



E: We've done this like ten times, let's take it to PM if you want to continue 'cos it's really getting old on the forum and just goes in circles, you've got your beliefs, I've got mine

I'm not arguing for or against, just pointing out the flaw in your argument. I would actually support the scrapping of E catagory IF the current FAL was harder to get and harder to keep.

You can't use knifes as an example, if there was a E-Cat on every kitchen bench how do you think that would affect the murder rates for knife vs E-Cat. Knives are more easily obtainable by anyone hence the higher rate of use in crime. I would think the restrictions on firearm ownership has a direct link to how often they're used in crime.

Yes the current FAL should be harder to get, there should be more education requirements for it and better security requirements.


If someone isn't appropriate to own a rifle with a folding stock or a larger magazine or a bayonet lug (haha) then they shouldn't have ANY gun at all, and if they intend to break the law by killing people (which is what we all want to prevent with the laws at the end of the day) realistically they're not going to care if they have an illegal gun to do it.

E cat just means that I can't have cool shit without stuff like the incredibly bullshit handin policy. It certainly didn't stop Jaan Molenaar having a bunch of illegal E cats.

Step 1: Buy an A cat (insert semi auto rifle here)

Step 2: Buy a 30 round mag

E cat rules by passed.

Step 3: 30 round isn't really any more inherently dangerous anyway.
Step 4: Make 30 round mags require a license to buy
Step 5: lol unenforceable and it's not hard to make mags, and it'd be a joke to smuggle them in, I haven't had my luggage inspected in any way in the last 30+ trips through customs except once when I said I had dirt on my boots and they gave them a wash for me.

From what I understand, the hand in thing is history IF you can come up with a damn good reason to import. My friend recently imported a complete E cat Spikes Tactical lower and a stripper 10/22 receiver on E cat. Only reason he did this was because they wouldn't put one of his A cat AR lowers onto E cat, or his 10/22, cuz it would set a precedent or some shit. They gave him import permits for the E cats though. Go figure.

I've got a Saiga 7.62x39 and an ammo box full of A cat mags (like 14 or something). Takes 2 seconds to change them, same firepower all up as like 3 30 rounders, and they can be converted to hold more than 7 rounds if you were that way inclined (as with the majority of A cat semi auto mags).

Originally Posted by Savage1

You can't use knifes as an example, if there was a E-Cat on every kitchen bench how do you think that would affect the murder rates for knife vs E-Cat. Knives are more easily obtainable by anyone hence the higher rate of use in crime. I would think the restrictions on firearm ownership has a direct link to how often they're used in crime.

The point is that, in the USA:
-in most states an AR for example is easy to get - just go and buy it
-if they're a felon and can't pass a background check in a store it's still not hard to get if you just go and buy one face-to-face in a private transfer eg the retardedly named and misunderstood "gunshow loophole"
-if "these type of guns" attract "the wrong sort of people" then surely "the wrong sort of people" would make that minor effort to get them
-Overall murder rate with all rifles is less than 4% in the USA, that's not "ARs" or "MSSAs" it's "All rifles"
-Clearly not too many murders are making the minimal effort that they'd have to make to get those guns if they really were all attracted to them any more than they are to any weapon.

I think "the wrong sort of person" is attracted to any weapon, none more so than others really

"the wrong sort of person" in Boston was attracted to a pressure cooker full of cut up fireworks

I don't even use them but they were cheap so I bought heaps with the idea that when I get E cat I'll convert them to hold as many rounds as they will function with.

Originally Posted by Beavis

I've got a Saiga 7.62x39 and an ammo box full of A cat mags (like 14 or something). Takes 2 seconds to change them, same firepower all up as like 3 30 rounders, and they can be converted to hold more than 7 rounds if you were that way inclined (as with the majority of A cat semi auto mags).

I accidentally cut too much off the bottom one of the followers when converting my shit 5rd mags to shit 7rd mags. So I had a shit 8rd mag, and had to get a new follower for it, because I was obeying the law. If I wasn't obeying the law I could have plenty of shit ~10rd mags without ever having to show my license in the case of making >7 mags E license required

Why the hell did they settle on 7 rounds anyway? It's so incredibly inconvenient, almost nobody makes a 7 round mag. 10rd A-cat limit pleeeease.

Originally Posted by gimp

I accidentally cut too much off the bottom one of the followers when converting my shit 5rd mags to shit 7rd mags. So I had a shit 8rd mag, and had to get a new follower for it, because I was obeying the law. If I wasn't obeying the law I could have plenty of shit 10rd mags without ever having to show my license in the case of making >7 mags E license required

Your problem is you are applying logic to a system written by dipshits who don't know what they're talking about