Thread: From E-Cat to A-Cat?

Originally Posted by gimp

The point is that, in the USA:
-in most states an AR for example is easy to get - just go and buy it
-if they're a felon and can't pass a background check in a store it's still not hard to get if you just go and buy one face-to-face in a private transfer eg the retardedly named and misunderstood "gunshow loophole"
-if "these type of guns" attract "the wrong sort of people" then surely "the wrong sort of people" would make that minor effort to get them
-Overall murder rate with all rifles is less than 4% in the USA, that's not "ARs" or "MSSAs" it's "All rifles"
-Clearly not too many murders are making the minimal effort that they'd have to make to get those guns if they really were all attracted to them any more than they are to any weapon.

I think "the wrong sort of person" is attracted to any weapon, none more so than others really

"the wrong sort of person" in Boston was attracted to a pressure cooker full of cut up fireworks

The USA is hard to use as an example as pistols are so easily obtained over there making firearms crime up but rifle specific crime lower. It's shown that the people that go on rampages either get or try to get Military styled weapons.

To be honest I don't think the USA is any kind of example to follow, but it would be stupid not to observe and learn from any mistakes they have made.

Enough from me.

Originally Posted by gimp

Why the hell did they settle on 7 rounds anyway? It's so incredibly inconvenient, almost nobody makes a 7 round mag. 10rd A-cat limit pleeeease.

7 rounds certainly made it impossible to keep your prized WW2/Korean War era M1 Garand in anywhere near original spec unlesss you had it on E-Cat.

Bayonet lug (since when did mass killers have a rifle bayonet as a key weapon of choice?) = gone
8 round mag/clip (whatever) = gone

Originally Posted by Savage1

The USA is hard to use as an example as pistols are so easily obtained over there making firearms crime up but rifle specific crime lower. It's shown that the people that go on rampages either get or try to get Military styled weapons.

To be honest I don't think the USA is any kind of example to follow, but it would be stupid not to observe and learn from any mistakes they have made.

Enough from me.

I don't think it is shown. A "MSSA" is realistically as easy to get in the USA as a pistol, if not easier (state laws, age requirements for pistols). If mass shooters and murderers were really that attracted to them, they'd be used more frequently, but hardly any of the mass shootings have used them.

I don't think we should follow the US in a lot of ways either.

I also don't think that a person who can't be trusted to have a folding stock or bayonet lug (lol) on their gun should be trusted with ANY gun. If the E cat vetting process is supposed to keep those people out, why doesn't the A cat?? Where's the difference? I don't want someone who can't be trusted to have a flash hider (lol) to be able to have ANY gun.

Originally Posted by dogmatix

7 rounds made it impossible to keep your prized WW2/Korean War era M1 Garand in anywhere near original spec unlesss you had it on E-Cat.

Bayonet lug (since when did mass killers have a rifle bayonet as a key weapon of choice?) = gone
8 round mag/clip (whatever) - gone

Lol as if anyone going on a rampage is going to choose a 4 foot long rifle that weighs 12 pounds

Originally Posted by Savage1

The USA is hard to use as an example as pistols are so easily obtained over there making firearms crime up but rifle specific crime lower. It's shown that the people that go on rampages either get or try to get Military styled weapons.

To be honest I don't think the USA is any kind of example to follow, but it would be stupid not to observe and learn from any mistakes they have made.

Enough from me.

Rampages??? How many mass killing deaths in the USA within the last year? Sandyhook, Colarado! Add the deaths from these mass killings and others the last year and do we get 100 deaths-maybe? Then divide that by the population of the USA.

Now what do we get. The number is so miniscal that are these AR15 killing machines really the killers we are lead to believe???

Drink driving, stabbings, drug over dose, cycling etc etc. All individually would have a higher percentage of killings per capita in the USA than assault rifle type of thingies used in rampages.

But cause they are black they must be bad (racist society maybe?)

Its time society stopped believing what ever spin CNN and the movie makers put on the world and start to open there eyes. Any type of firearm in a responsible persons hands are NO threat at all. In the hands of a hater and nut job then yes a gun just as a car, knife, or pressure cooker can be used for harm.

I wish the idiots in power will stop restricting my freedoms due to the actions of the nut jobs.

Damn im more scared of idiot drivers in this country as they kill more people a year than MSSA rifles do!!!

Cheers

I think there is a stronger correlation between mental instability and mass shootings, rather than AR's. They all use different guns, but what do the vast majority of them have in common? Psychological issues and the meds they're taking. That leaves you with two courses of action - do nothing and just accept that shit happens, the cats out of the bag. Or attempt to come up with a way to reduce the chances of a disturbed individual going postal or harming people in other ways. going by raw statistics, mass shooting deaths are a tiny proportion of violent deaths, it barely registers in the grand scheme of things.

Reducing the freedoms of a blanket and poorly-defined "mentally ill people" is just an incentive for them not to seek treatment though. It's tricky.


E: amongst other problems but I'm too lazy to talk about this one right now

Originally Posted by Littledog

I wish the idiots in power will stop restricting my freedoms due to the actions of the nut jobs.

whats worse is they restricting our freedoms in reaction to nut jobs in a different country governed by completely different laws.

I do agree with most ppl here, that the FAL should be harder to get, and if u are a 'fit and proper person' you should be for any type of firearm. with exception to pistols due to their concealability i guess.
also think that firearm security should be steel container of stout construction minimum.

Originally Posted by Haydendev

also think that firearm security should be steel container of stout construction minimum.

Yep.


Pistols should be harder to get than a rifle, but you should be able to do more with them. I want to go handgun hunting with a S&W 629!!

Don't make any rash decisions is all ill say...

Originally Posted by Haydendev

whats worse is they restricting our freedoms in reaction to nut jobs in a different country governed by completely different laws.

I do agree with most ppl here, that the FAL should be harder to get, and if u are a 'fit and proper person' you should be for any type of firearm. with exception to pistols due to their concealability i guess.
also think that firearm security should be steel container of stout construction minimum.

It was actually a nut job in our country that bought about the restrictions.

Originally Posted by Savage1

It was actually a nut job in our country that bought about the restrictions.

Grey?

Yup, my history in this department isn't to great but I'm pretty sure the restrictions came about as a reaction to the Aramoana incident.

Cops had a go at banning AR, AK imports pre Aramoana I think.

Does anybody have a "semi concrete" view as to whether the likes of a a 10-22 or SKS in drag style stock is going to become all evil and shit with the new law?