Thread: LMT MARS-L How are they working out for the NZDF?.

Eh, the tax payers were overwhelmingly in favour of the buy back apparently, so they can wear it.

3 kiwi's still straight...

Originally Posted by 300_BLK

The Steyr was a good rifle taking into account it was a 1988 weapon system.

MARSL is the bee knees and LMT have looked after us very well.

Its much older than that eh. Designed in the 60s and first used in 1977.

The cocking handles were flimsy imo, but i liked how easy that barrel came off. Made range clearing easy. From memory i recall you had to get a 280mm extreme spread max (20 rounds) to pass your LF shoot to be competant.

Their new sniper rifles seem to shoot pretty straight:

https://www.facebook.com/NZArmy/vide...8834048573274/

What was the allocation of MARS-L rifles between the services, did the Air Force or the Navy keep their Steyrs ?

Originally Posted by Max Headroom

What was the allocation of MARS-L rifles between the services, did the Air Force or the Navy keep their Steyrs ?

The steyrs were phased out of all three services within the NZDF. Makes sense for each service to use the same platform

Originally Posted by Max Headroom

What was the allocation of MARS-L rifles between the services, did the Air Force or the Navy keep their Steyrs ?

All styers are gone. Navy and airforce have 14.5 inch barrel. Army has 16 inch barrel.

Originally Posted by 7.62

The steyrs were phased out of all three services within the NZDF. Makes sense for each service to use the same platform

True. I wondered if the steyrs had lived on on the navy's ships due to their SMG like size with a short barrel.

There’s quite a mix of comments on this thread about the steyr’s functionality; some squaddies liked them, some hated them. But if you look at many defence forces that had a bullpup as their standard issue assault rifle (NZDF, Australia, the Brits); did their elite units choose to use them? No, they would choose an M4 all day long. It seems the inherent advantages of the bullpup design have been outweighed by the negatives. NZDF made the right call.

Originally Posted by 7.62

There’s quite a mix of comments on this thread about the steyr’s functionality; some squaddies liked them, some hated them. But if you look at many defence forces that had a bullpup as their standard issue assault rifle (NZDF, Australia, the Brits); did their elite units choose to use them? No, they would choose an M4 all day long. It seems the inherent advantages of the bullpup design have been outweighed by the negatives. NZDF made the right call.

I think alot of doctrine existed in using a conventional weapon,also a M4 variant is alot more flexible given you can change uppers for different roles.

I got to fire a SA80 a few years ago.It truely was horrid and I have never spoken to any Soldier who used one operationally and liked it.Its just a pile of wrong.

The aussies are staying with the Aug for all services, just the new EF88...


trial camo i think...

Originally Posted by norsk

.Its just a pile of wrong.

Hahahahaha. I like that. A lot.

Also applicable to the current Govt.

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

All styers are gone. Navy and airforce have 14.5 inch barrel. Army has 16 inch barrel.

And also "Squadron" have 14.5 inch ones.

Originally Posted by Dead is better

Its much older than that eh. Designed in the 60s and first used in 1977.

Yes first issued to Austrian units in 1978