Thread: not enough elevation in scope

Originally Posted by zimmer

Will still need a picatinny rail if using Zee rings (I love Zee rings). Or Weaver 2 piece bases.

I'm still concerned we are missing something here with this problem but I'm struggling to suggest anything different.

Maybe a faulty scope. Was it brand new?
Could rotate it 45 degrees anti clockwise and see if problem is the same. Windage becomes elevation.
If access to a collimator check scope has full range of adjustment available windage and elevation. Start by optically zeroing the reticle.
How much elevation adjustment was there left on the old scope when it was zeroed at 100 metres?

OP shouldn't have to fit a 20 MOA rail/bushed rings/coke tin packers to get a centre hit at 100 metres. Despite the scope having limited internal elevation in its design.

Not sure it'd necessarily need to be a full length rail, if you got a couple of rem 700 two piece bases that were the right distance apart, the zee rings ought to work, from memory the 10moa increments are afforded by a 5" spacing between rings, but slightly more or less will still mean you get elevation in whichever way you want. They are nice soft polymer after all, not going to hurt the scope by clamping down on slightly incorrect inserts.

have bought some zero lok nikko rings and the difference is .5mm in height between them and the talleys.using my laser bore sighter i can now get it more or less zeroed with more adjustment to go . will hit the range in friday and have a play

Originally Posted by sig4x4

have bought some zero lok nikko rings and the difference is .5mm in height between them and the talleys.using my laser bore sighter i can now get it more or less zeroed with more adjustment to go . will hit the range in friday and have a play

@sig4x4 Could you please post a closeup picture of your new setup.

before and after . not a great noticeable difference until you bore site with laser then the difference is apparent. one bonus nikkos are medium height so a bit lower profile overall

wonder if the old set up was canted the wrong way.

which photos the talleys? the top one that look like talleys?

Leave the higher profile mount at the back and put the old lower one at the front. This should lift your POI.

Originally Posted by Tahr

They only have 30 MOA of elevation which is the least I have ever heard of so that might be your problem. Once mounted you will have less than 15 minutes each way (up and down).

https://www.burrisoptics.com/scopes/...pe-6.5-20x50mm

Mind boggling. This is 2022. Others scopes regularly have ~80 MOA of adjustment.

Originally Posted by Ultimitsu

Mind boggling. This is 2022. Others scopes regularly have ~80 MOA of adjustment.

Yeah Burris has always been a bit piss poor in that respect. The 3-9 the OP removed had 50 MOA.

I have an old 6-24 Black Diamond rated at IIRC 39 MOA.
I mounted mine on an Omark. I zeroed OK at 100 yds but didn't have much adjustment left so fitted a 20 MOA rail and used Zee rings for further improvement.
I have no trouble now getting to 900 yards.

Originally Posted by Allizdog

Leave the higher profile mount at the back and put the old lower one at the front. This should lift your POI.

As long as you lap them (otherwise this will damage the scope), this would be a solution.


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Originally Posted by Tahr

They only have 30 MOA of elevation which is the least I have ever heard of so that might be your problem. Once mounted you will have less than 15 minutes each way (up and down). You might need to shim your mounts. Cut a coke tin into shims.
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Even worse than the Burris is the older Bushnell Elite 4200 in 3-9x40, 4-16x50, 6-24x - they only have 26 MOA of total elevation adjustment (13 up or down from mechanical center). So it would not be the scope to buy if you have any thoughts of long range shooting. I had mine (4-16x) mounted in Burris Signatures with +/- inserts.

Bushnell Elite 4500 series (basically a re-furbish of the 4200) has 40 MOA of elevation adjustment. While for about the same money second hand, you could get a Bushnell 3200 5-15x40mm Tactical Mildot, and get 46 MOA of adjustment.

Originally Posted by Kelton

which photos the talleys? the top one that look like talleys?

top photo is zero lok. talleys are 2.5mm diff front to back nikkos 2.0mm front to back. different action bolt pattern front o back as well so cant interchange

@sig4x4 Whatever the reason (and you now have a zillion probabilities), please report here what the problem was when you do get it sorted.

zero loks have sorted my issue ,and still have more adjustment to play with if needed